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Alaska Airlines flight forced to make an emergency landing (Part II)... 26

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JohnRBaker

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This is a continuation of the original thread since it was getting a bit long and slow.

The original thread can be found at:


John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
 
When will it end...

Boeing Plane Found To Have Missing Panel After Flight From California To Southern Oregon

Airport officials say a Boeing 737-800 was found to have a missing panel after a United Airlines flight arrived at its destination in southern Oregon.


An excerpt from the above item:

A ground crew discovered a missing panel on a Boeing 737-800 that had just arrived at its destination in southern Oregon on Friday after flying from San Francisco, airport officials said.

United Flight 433 left San Francisco at 10:20 a.m. and landed at Rogue Valley International-Medford Airport in Medford shortly before noon, according to FlightAware. The airport’s director, Amber Judd, said the plane landed safely without incident and the external panel was discovered missing during a post-flight inspection.

Must be something about flying over Oregon...

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
 
When reading this headline, I'm not sure that this is good news or not:

No, Boeing Issues Aren’t Actually On The Rise This Year, NTSB Data Shows

Experts also say there’s no reason for panic despite the widespread scrutiny of the aviation company.


An excerpt from the above item:

The number of accidents and incidents involving Boeing commercial planes, at least during the first 55 days of this year, is relatively the same as 2023, federal data shows.

There have been 19 incidents, accidents and occurrences involving Boeing planes globally as of Feb. 24, according to the most recent data available from the National Transportation Safety Board’s Case Analysis and Reporting Online tool (CAROL). For comparison, the NTSB documented 23 such events during the same 55-day period last year.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
 
That panel missing in Oregon sounds more like a United issue than Boeing.
 
Sounds like it was a wing-to-body fairing panel. Big whoop of nothing.
 
It looks like a non-structural fairing near the landing gear. One of those composite over honeycomb constructions.
 
hokie said:
That panel missing in Oregon sounds more like a United issue than Boeing.
Click to expand...
On a twenty-five year old plane, you are probably correct, hokie.

--------------------
Ohm's law
Not just a good idea;
It's the LAW!
 
It's getting a bit silly the reports that are becoming headline news.

On a good news front EASA did an audit last week and said they were happy with the progress.

And there was very little chance of reciprocal certification being withdrawn for manufacture.
 
Just to note on door seals.

They are inflated using bleed air gas some doors.

And the seal mounting grip is Al.

So stringy solid muck in the system is not very healthy.

Not there will be alot of it. But it may lift an edge.
 
It's a bit like doing a building investigation once a crack in noticed. They start looking for more cracks. I've encountered new cracks with cobwebs in them.

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik
 
I suspect the QC and paper work failures have cobwebs.

But they are justified findings.

The bad wiring looms to the spoilers are major as well. An UN commanded full one sided spoiler deploy at cruise speed up in coffin corner would be not nice and may overstress the wing.
 
I concur... I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. It's just that once you start looking for cracks...

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik
 
True I thought you meant the everyday tech item issues which seam to be headline news. Were cob webs.

What we going to get next. rear toilet out of service due vacuum pump broke and on the MEL for 10 days.

Pax in terror as seat belt signs kept on untill 15000ft meaning a 2 min delay going for a pee.



 
No... there were actual cob webs in the 'new' cracks.

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik
 
In defense of spiders, they are pretty fast workers. You know. 8 legs, 8 eyes, lift an equivalent 20T load, silk stronger than steel, jumping 400 ft and all. You've seen Spider Man, yes?
And they're making robot dogs. [ponder]

Older aircraft are making up more and more of the fleets. That's the bad news. What used to get sold off to South America, et al, are still in major airline service these days. If B can't deliver, that's going to get a whole lot worse before better. But there are probably better places to hide the fyntenol.

--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
 
To be realistic Airbus can't deliver either in the volume required that the market needs.

I would say it time for people to sit down and talk about a government funded single isle replacement by Boeing.

The Airbus systems need a look at as well for human factors.



 
Government funded? They can't hardly even manage to fund THE government.
But in any case, someone mentioned nationalisation just this week.

--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
 
Whenever you think air travel absolutely cannot get any more unpleasant, somehow they find a way :)

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand
 
Thanks 1503... was aware of that... these were 'old' webs. Not a matter of a couple of days. It just that finding something occasionally prompts others to look for similar issues.

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik
 
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