what are the equations of state space on open loop active suspension ?

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what are the equations of state space on open loop active suspension ?

DionEng (Student)

(OP)

31 Jan 24 22:26

Hello

So I need to solve a problem on an active suspension .I dont know how to find the equations of state space on open loop

Given information

We apply F(t) force as ypou can see

z(t) is the distance of the upper spring edge from the ground

when spring length (not loaded ) = 1

F (spring) = -kδ^3 (t) δ = displacement of z(t)- z(not loaded)

F ( damper ) = - c dz(t)/dt

rb1957 (Aerospace) · Answer 1 · 2024-01-31 22:38:57

what are the forces acting on the mass ?

these force create an acceleration of the mass, hence velocity and displacement.

as I remember this stuff (from 40 years ago) you get a differential equation (xdbldot, xdot, x).

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DionEng (Student) · Answer 2 · 2024-01-31 22:42:55

F(t) up force

F spring , F damper and weight down force

DionEng (Student) · Answer 3 · 2024-01-31 22:44:15

i am trying to make these x dot dot ,x dot etc but there is δ^3(t) i dont how to make it to x

DionEng (Student) · Answer 4 · 2024-01-31 22:46:08

RE: what are the equations of state space on open loop active suspension ?

DionEng (Student)

(OP)

31 Jan 24 22:46

ma= F(t) - mg - Fspring -Fdamper

GregLocock (Automotive) · Answer 5 · 2024-01-31 23:51:36

Force in the spring = -k*z
force in the damper =-c*Dz
Net force on mass = -g-k*z+F- c*zD=m*D^2z

Using D notation because this is a typewriter.
There's probably a minus sign or two adrift in that. No D^3

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DionEng (Student) · Answer 6 · 2024-02-01 00:12:02

δ is just a symbol δ = ( z-1 )^3 nit derivative
And my problem says that F spring = - kδ^3(t)
I dont know how to turn u it to x dot

Latexman (Chemical) · Answer 7 · 2024-02-01 00:25:35

ChE here! So, be gentle! Isn’t u (velocity) = x dot = dx/dt

Good Luck,
Latexman

DionEng (Student) · Answer 8 · 2024-02-01 00:27:07

RE: what are the equations of state space on open loop active suspension ?

DionEng (Student)

(OP)

1 Feb 24 00:27

Yes

GregLocock (Automotive) · Answer 9 · 2024-02-01 05:20:51

Oh, sorry you are using delta to mean dz, I misread your question

Wow, well you cannot easily solve that algebraically. A quadratic rate curve (ie cubic force curve) for a spring is quite a feasible approximation in real life, but to solve it we use numerical solutions.

so -g-k*z*z*z+F- c*Dz=m*D^2z

where k c m and g are constants and D means d/dt

You could try Wolfram Alpha.

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Rex Hang (Industrial) · Answer 11 · 2024-02-01 06:13:57

How can we find the state-space equations for the active suspension system with this information?

GregLocock (Automotive) · Answer 12 · 2024-02-01 06:38:17

With a cubic spring? Beyond my pay grade.

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DionEng (Student) · Answer 13 · 2024-02-17 12:12:32

Thanks for your replies but I have another question
I want to find the equation of damper ratio ζ>1 but including cubic spring
I know that for linear active (non cubic ) suspension is ζ= (c√m)/(2m√k)
but in my case that i have cubic spring do you have any idea how the equation is

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