When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
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When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory
so car occupants can get out in an accident, when electric
locks fail? (BACK doors too, please!)
Isn't it about time???
And to go further, I wonder if it's possible to have a device
which can monitor temperatures inside and sounds indicating a
child or dog is present, and pop the doors open and call 911?
It seems as if these are long overdue.
Eleanor
so car occupants can get out in an accident, when electric
locks fail? (BACK doors too, please!)
Isn't it about time???
And to go further, I wonder if it's possible to have a device
which can monitor temperatures inside and sounds indicating a
child or dog is present, and pop the doors open and call 911?
It seems as if these are long overdue.
Eleanor
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/auto-in...
Also see https://www.safewise.com/car-seat-alarm/
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
For back doors, you're talking about basically eliminating child locks. Don't believe that to be smart.
I don't believe that automatically opening doors to release a child or an animal is smart either.
Don't lock your dog in the car and this becomes a non-issue.
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
My wife had occasion to go to work (no child involved) and got out of the car, left the keys in it, engine running. The car out of gas and I found out that the maker of the new gas can I bought had a mold maker ruin the design, but that's separate. She was concentrating on getting in to her desk.
The point is that sleep deprivation, worries about work or finances, habituation, and a novel (new child) situation can all coalesce into forgetting something terrifically important. People lock their keys in the car, forget they are filling with gas at the station, forget the tide will come in while at the beach, leave their coffee on the car roof. The seriousness of the situation cannot overcome the out-of-sight error.
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
Regardless, carrying a window breaking tool is a useful thing to do, since you can potentially still exit the vehicle through the window, even if the door is jammed up.
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RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
If electric door poppers fail the obvious/easy solution is to break a window and climb out. Relying on mechanical latches as emergency backups is a bit of an exercise in futility bc vehicle bodies often buckle enough that they either fail or the door itself is jammed shut.
Others are welcome to their opinions, but personally I would like to see a reduction in the amount of unnecessary vehicle complexity that is driven solely by regulation. Complexity drives cost, and we're already severely over-regulated.
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
The problem with fancy electrical inside door poppers that have a separate mechanical release handle is that owners fail to read instruction books. They get used to pushing the little button and have no idea of the existence of a separate mechanical release handle.
I fail to understand what's wrong with a plain ordinary mechanical door handle (both inside and outside), but that's another matter.
No door release mechanism whether mechanical or electrical will operate if the door has been mechanically jammed shut as a consequence of a collision. No door release mechanism whether mechanical or electrical will help if the car is underwater.
And in the same breath as advocating simplification (door handles) the original poster also advocates complexification (detection of someone left inside a vehicle)? What if I WANT to stay inside the vehicle with everything off? What if I WANT to leave kiddo in the car for a minute while running into a convenience store? Does the car have to be evacuated at a petrol station to avoid it calling emergency services by itself because the dog is in the back? I predict false alarms.
I'd like to know more about the original poster's concern. Think about unintended consequences.
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
That often results in the criminal who steals the car dumping the children a mile or so away and your car in a container being shipped to Africa.
The typical results are automatically rolling the windows down and sending text messages to the owner's cell phone. I have seen no systems that call 911 or other emergency services.
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
Is there a device that can enervate and evanesce all logic?
“Isn’t it about time???”
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
That's just old school, right? I remember having to run around the car to lock or unlock all the doors; PITA.
Oh the other hand, it was something that distinguished my wife from ex-girlfriends that were not suitable; SWMBO got into the car after I opened her door and then she reached over to unlock my door, yah for that!
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RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
See https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/ho... for the "obvious" release on the model Y.
From the same article:
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
I never said anything about leaving the car running - or with the key in it - while popping into a convenience store or petrol station with the child or dog left inside.
The suggestion of the original poster would have the car call emergency for doing that.
Nope.
Whatever happened to taking responsibility for one's own actions? It is not possible to cover up all possible stupidity with technology.
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
BTDT, but mine Moby Dick was the release handle for the gas cap on a rental car, which I couldn't find, so I opened the trunk dug out the release cable there and opened the cover so I could get gas before returning the car. Only when I returned the car did I find out the release was buried in the glove compartment.
True enough, but if there were something simple that could be done, and if even only a few kids get saved, that might be worth it. It seems to be a terrible price to pay for a mental gap.
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RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
Maybe IATA but I do not care. I have absolutely zero sympathy. "I'm too tired" or "Normally my wife drives the kid around" or whatever is bullshit.
You cannot eliminate stupidity by legislation or engineering. Car door locking systems are designed the way they are for a lot of good reasons. Are they perfect? Probably not. But completely re-engineering them all because 23 people made bad decisions last year (and 53 the year before) is a losing game.
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
Most of the time ... It happens in a plain ordinary car with plain ordinary mechanical door latches, and the dog or child doesn't know how to work it. So, the original poster wants to have the car call emergency services automatically because I left an inanimate package on the back seat. How is this hypothetical system supposed to distinguish a child/dog from any other object that isn't part of the car? (Hint: There is no way to do this with complete reliability.) What if I want the child/dog to stay in the car at a petrol station?
Or it has plain ordinary rear door child safety locks that mechanically block the back doors from opening from inside. Do you want to ban those? How many deaths from kids being locked inside, versus the number that could foreseeably happen because a child opens the door and jumps out of the car on the motorway? (That's the reason child safety locks were introduced!)
My Chevy Bolt, every once in a while, under circumstances where there might be someone left in the back seats after the driver turns off the car and opens the driver's door, beeps and pops up a warning on the instrument cluster "Check rear seats". I haven't completely sussed out the logic it uses to do this, but every time it has, I can see how prior events could have been interpreted as a possibility of someone being back there who hasn't gotten out before the driver. (There never actually has been a person back there who has been forgotten about.)
Personal responsibility, folks.
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
I agree with this 100% for all the reasons stated.
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This is undeniably false.
The Bolt is programmed to report if you have stupidly used the rear door immediately before starting the car and then don't check later. It's as American a development as the stranglematic and ejectomatic seatbelts. GM didn't realize the buyers would fail to read the user manual - talk about a lack of personal responsibility.
https://www.chevrolet.com/support/vehicle/security...
It is typical of American companies to deliver a feature in a way that fails at the primary mission - detecting an infant or child locked in a car and trapped in a car seat, unable to realize they are about to suffer an agonizing death.
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
It is not possible to detect whether a pet or child is inside the car with complete reliability, and the GM system was never meant to even attempt to do so.
RE: When will mechanical inside escape handles become mandatory?
Perhaps calling for help is too much - but the sense I get is the fear of a political "nanny state" is the real sore point.
Microwave sensors can detect the slight movement of breathing. Gas detectors can detect the slight increase in CO2.
Most interesting about a CO2 detector is, while it won't detect CO, CO is rarely the primary exhaust component, so a CO2 detector could be used to alert the driver or occupants of the car to a buildup of an otherwise undetectable, by humans, dangerous gas.
If expense for lab quality sensors is seen as a problem, compare to the cost of a fuel injector that you build one of vs the cost of a mass-produced unit. The makers would probably also use them to regulate fresh air to keep the interior from becoming stuffy, the way that ABS can be used instead of limited slip for traction control.