Single Motor Protection Relay to protect 2-Speed Motor
Single Motor Protection Relay to protect 2-Speed Motor
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I have an application where a 4.16kV MV MCC feeds several 2-Speed 450hp/900hp motors pump motors. These motors currently have motor speed controlled via 2 seperate contactors with a seperate set of CT's and relays associated with each contactor (high speed & low speed).
The existing relays are older electromechanical type relays that we are looking to replace with new digital relays. I'm wondering if its possible to replace the (2) separate electromechanical relays with a single digital relay that can protect both the motor for both high and low speed applications? From what I see most motor protection relays only have a single CT input so would potentially need to parallel CT's so that the relay can see current from either contractor depending on what speed the motor is running at?
Were planning to use GE 869 relay as I now understand the 369 version of GE motor protection relay is now obsolete.
The existing relays are older electromechanical type relays that we are looking to replace with new digital relays. I'm wondering if its possible to replace the (2) separate electromechanical relays with a single digital relay that can protect both the motor for both high and low speed applications? From what I see most motor protection relays only have a single CT input so would potentially need to parallel CT's so that the relay can see current from either contractor depending on what speed the motor is running at?
Were planning to use GE 869 relay as I now understand the 369 version of GE motor protection relay is now obsolete.
RE: Single Motor Protection Relay to protect 2-Speed Motor
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RE: Single Motor Protection Relay to protect 2-Speed Motor
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RE: Single Motor Protection Relay to protect 2-Speed Motor
I guess you can program the relay settings - one group for one speed and switch them using an auxiliary contact (from speed changing contactors) wired to the relay as BI.
I am not sure whether the CT input can be configured separately for each group of settings in these relays (needs to be looked in to further).
RE: Single Motor Protection Relay to protect 2-Speed Motor
I don't think that you the CTs in series.
A Blondel solution requires N-1 meter elements in relation to the number of lines.
ie: A delta circuit or a three wire wye circuit (a motor circuit) requires two meter elements for accurate metering.
A four wire wye circuit (line to neutral loads) requires three meter elements for accurate metering.
I was faced with metering an industrial load (About $100,000 per year billing) with only two element meters available.
One element metered "A" phase.
One element metered "B" phase.
The vector depiction showed an open delta connection of the CTs.
The third CT for "C" phase was connected in delta.
The ratio of impedances between the meter elements and CT secondaries is very high and the output current from the "C" phase CT is forced through the meter elements for "A" phase and "B" phase.
Each phase contains components of the other two phases.
Thus the "A" phase meter element measured the "A" phase component of "C" phase and the "B" phase meter element measured the "B" phase component of "C" phase.
The circuit is published in a recognized metering hand book. (Published by either Westinghouse or GE. Memory fails.)
I was skeptical, but hidden single phase check-meters running for a few months verified that the connection was metering accurately.
In you situation:
For a two winding motor, the CTs may be connected in parallel.
For a consequent pole motor, rather than metering the supply lines, meter a set of windings that has the same current whether running in high speed or slow speed.
It may be possible to meter with CTs in the leads to the shorting contactor.
Note on non-Blondel metering solutions.
Did you realize that all of the hundreds of millions of single phase, 120/240 revenue meters in North America use a non-Blondel solution?
The common North American revenue meters assume that the line to neutral voltages are equal.
When an unbalance loads cause a voltage drops in the neutral supply conductor, the metering becomes inaccurate. (But close enough. The slight error is in the favour of the utility. Want to try a class action suit? I am sure that the utility will argue that the error is offset by the extra un-metered I2R losses in the neutral conductor caused by your unbalanced load.)
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Ohm's law
Not just a good idea;
It's the LAW!
RE: Single Motor Protection Relay to protect 2-Speed Motor
RE: Single Motor Protection Relay to protect 2-Speed Motor
So what if an old version of firmware is obsolete? The relay is still very much in production and will be for many years since it was just recently released.
RE: Single Motor Protection Relay to protect 2-Speed Motor