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## Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

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#### Quote (GregLocock)

Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Try to stay on topic.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Seems like a positive to me...

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Brim, your comment seems to be not on topic.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Solutions, the topic of the forum. Small reactors can help.

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"final safety evaluation in 2020" ... so it takes 2 years to approve an acceptable design ?

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

That was just the safety of the reactor itself. Takes a lot more paperwork before the reactor can be incorporated into a power plant. Interesting that the project is at the Idaho Natonal Lab, which has been working on nuclear power since the late 1940's.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Great post Greg...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

(OP)
They are estimating a cost of about 6.5 US cents per kWh. People are holding their hands up in horror (probably about twice what coal gets), but compared with the what generators are getting here is Oz at the moment (14 USc/kWh) that is an absolute bargain.

Cheers

Greg Locock

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### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

It's a pretty cool project, and one of the smarter approaches I've seen (no fancy molten salts or pebble bed). Hope they get it launched soon.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

brimstoner - contribute something positive or piss off.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

play nice, gentlemen.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

thanks for the price, Greg...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

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Oh no! The righteous crusader who can't be bullied is here! Bullies unite and....

- Andrew

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

brims... quit the 'personal dialogue'... it detracts in many forms.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

SS... you need the Holy Handgrenade of Antioche...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Gotta talk to Brother Maynard about that.

Sorry I know I'm detracting, myself. I was just cracking myself up in my own head and hoped someone else might get a laugh.

- Andrew

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

"Much of the nonsense uploaded to these threads originates from US and Oz" ... presumably you're lumping Canada in with "US" ?

enjoy your upcoming blackouts (when the wind farms don't produce),
or worse, asking the French for some of their (nuke) power.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

#### Quote (brimstoner)

Humorously demonstrating that some of you have medieval concepts that are up to 10 centuries behind me.

Alright, George Jetson; please stick to the usual grunting and gesturing we are accustomed to.

- Andrew

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UK is the third for anyone not following the brexit dumpster fire.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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#### Quote (brimmer)

Much of the nonsense uploaded to these threads originates from US and Oz, two of the three most diseased western liberal democracies. But if that’s all you have ever known, it’s somewhat understandable (but not necessarily excusable).

He's gone full nationalist on us.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Oh Grasshopper…

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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Several of You are confusing me with one who can be easily bullied.

No, I just want you to quit posting so much off topic, insulting and belittling nonsense.

It shows real character to keep posting insulting and belittling nonsense but immediately cry about bullying when told to piss off.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Being from Canada, I won't put down other western democracies for what they are doing. Pot calling the kettle black and all that.

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Just a silly thought as the subject gravity bateries came through recently. If these reactors are small enough perhaps they could be lowered into deep, abandoned mines where they could be abandoned and buried in the event of a fault or at end of life?

Heck, we could put it on the elevator and raise it up and down for more power 😉. Cash in on some of that greenwashing if you catch my drift.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

"gravity generators" ?

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Sorry, gravity batteries. I also made another important correction.

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#### Quote (LionelHutz)

It shows real character to keep posting insulting and belittling nonsense but immediately cry about bullying when told to piss off.

If I’m crying it’s only from laughing too hard.

Character, eh? Read your own post out loud and compare the hostility level with the worst thing I’ve ever said.

That said, I could probably help myself by trying to have less get lost in translation from Rightsideupworld to other worlds.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

I dug into the company a little deeper and found this:

"These scalable power plant solutions can support a variety of needs and geographic areas and can be
located on retiring coal power plant sites. Some coal plant generation infrastructure can be repurposed
and reused, such as cooling water delivery systems, demineralized water, potable water, site fire protection,
and switchyard, as well as administrative, warehouse, and other existing buildings
. These systems can
be repurposed at significant savings: NuScale conducted a study which estimates that, on average,
approximately 100 million of existing coal plant infrastructure could be reused for a NuScale power plant. The NuScale plant can utilize existing energy infrastructure without the need to incur the cost of new major infrastructure, such as the installation of a transmission system connection." I find the above particularly interesting as I've spent the last 15 months working at 2 different coal plants that were shut down. Watching the scrappers tear through all of the piping and valves and whatnot so they can sell for scrap. I would just shake my head as it' seemed such a waste. Something else that's useful: "The NuScale plant can also extensively load follow to complement intermittent power generation from wind, solar, and hydropower and balance power supply on the grid, no matter the time of day, season, or weather forecast. The NuScale Power Module is capable of a ramp rate of 40% per hour in reactor power change, which aligns with specifications set by the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI).14 For even quicker responses to electricity demand, the NuScale SMR can rapidly lower its electric power output up to 10% per minute and return to full output at the same rate utilizing turbine bypass. This is significantly faster than conventional nuclear power." ### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified brims... Quit it! So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates -Dik ### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified Thanks, therm... So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates -Dik ### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified Unfortunately, I don't know where Canada falls on brims list... but, it's up near the top. So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates -Dik ### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified There’s no list, but all three I named have serious internal and external issues. Canada does less damage by dint of being smaller. "If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?" ### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified 2 #### Quote: Read your own post out loud and compare the hostility level with the worst thing I’ve ever said. It's the pure volume of horse shit emanating from your posts combined with the posting arrogance claiming to be doing everyone a service by posting that is making everyone hate on you. Personally, it's reached the point that I believe you're simply purposely trying to be the biggest asshole possible. ### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified Yeah try to manage your anger better "If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?" ### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified Angry or not, he's right. You should follow the original advice at this point. ### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified Come on Lionel... there's no need for that vindictive. If you disagree with him, provide citations... So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates -Dik ### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified brims... Canada has some good excuses... our population, our climate and our long travel distances. I just posted this earlier on another forum. So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates -Dik ### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified Canada will always be among champion emitters for those reasons, but there’s still a lot we can do, including some low hanging fruit. Sin taxes for unnecessary vanity vehicles like commuter pickups, revamp building codes, higher density zoning, stop paving over precious farmland in Ontario, etc etc (And for &@& sake politicians can we finally get high speed rail from Windsor to Quebec City?)

Ontario has already done the hard work of shutting down coal plants, which raises our bar in future climate negotiations, but so be it. We all benefit from the improved air quality, helped in no small way by plants closing up and down the Ohio Valley, where the prevailing wind comes from.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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You think forcing people to buy multiple vehicles is a solution to climate change?

High density? You mean constricting buildings out of steel and concrete, and then packing people in them so that the buildings require 24/7 climate control? I much prefer lightweight low resource intensity single family construction. Wood is renewable and carbon sequestering, no?

High speed rail? You mean millions of tons of high valued material like steel laid on top of CO2 intense concrete? And then one fault and the whole line is shut down? I'll keep my recyclable and born from waste product asphalt roads, thank you.

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#### Quote (Lionel)

It's the pure volume of horse shit emanating from your posts combined with the posting arrogance claiming to be doing everyone a service by posting that is making everyone hate on you. Personally, it's reached the point that I believe you're simply purposely trying to be the biggest asshole possible.

Come on Lionel. We know that you're better than this kind of post.

I haven't seen much from brimstoner that is on-topic or helpful to any thread that he's posted to. So, I understand why he gets under your skin. And, seems to bother a lot of others on this forum. But, please try to keep it a bit more civil.

Brimstoner -

What was the purpose of your original post "try to stay on topic"? If you could clarify that then maybe we'd see some purpose to your 8 posts on this thread. Most of these postings seem to be to defend your honor, call into question other people's intelligence or insult their nationality. I do not see a valid reason for your doing so.

I think a post about a smaller nuclear fission plant is totally relevant to the Climate Change Engineering Solutions forum. Unless you don't realize that nuclear power does NOT produce CO2, or you don't believe that human production of CO2 is a significant driver of global warming.

One thing I have learned over the years is to try not to let a discussion you've had on other threads affect the way post on the current one. I get that we can get annoyed with someone on one thread and that makes us a little biased against them. But, when someone comes to this thread and sees immediate anger / frustration from someone then that person comes off very poorly. Since none of us know you all that well yet, that's how you're coming off.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Since it seems only to have been obvious to myself, I’ll spell it out:

“…not just weather trivia” comes off as a snide, possibly bitter, gratuitous dig at members uploading evidence of extreme weather events and catastrophes. Not easy to go off-road that quickly.

That clear things up? (Seriously, get over yourselves and move on).

Small nukes - yes! Excellent topic for discussion. The topic.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

One could say that "weather trivia" is entirely off-topic on this forum. The forum is called "Climate Change Engineering Solutions". It is not called "Weather Trivia".

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You'd think that climate does not equal weather would be obvious to engineers.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

As amusing as this post is otherwise (and yes, I dug through the cupboard for popcorn), I thought I'd share an article I saw on the original subject.

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#### Quote (LionelHutz)

You'd think that climate does not equal weather would be obvious to engineers

Well obviously!
There’s no relationship whatsoever.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

It's like comparing temperature and heat.

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#### Quote (Sin taxes for unnecessary vanity vehicles like commuter pickups, revamp building codes, higher density zoning, stop paving over precious farmland in Ontario, etc etc (And for &@\$& sake politicians can we finally get high speed rail from Windsor to Quebec City?))

Sin tax is a bad idea... the harm is cumulative, therefor the financial penalty has to be cumulative, too. Best to just stop selling them and encourage public transit.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

"low hanging fruit" ...

always makes me think of the joke ...
Q Why did the elephant paint his balls red ?
A So he could hide in apple trees.
Q How did Tarzan die ?
A Picking apples.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

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Sin tax is a bad idea...

They're also entirely subjective and often illogical. Charging extra to "discourage" me from enjoying the occasional tobacco product is rather ridiculous given the fact that the air quality in Detroit and many other US cities is worse for humans than chain-smoking. Charging a large family extra to own a large vehicle is similarly idiotic, its judgment devoid of facts, but yet we do via "gas guzzler" taxes stateside.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

With tobacco and alcohol... it was a manner that the government could gain revenue, making it sound like a 'good thing'. Smoke and Mirrors 101.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Sin taxes do work, and are fair because they align with a ‘user pay’ philosophy.

Smokers put an added cost on the healthcare system that should not be borne by nonsmokers.

Why should folks electing not to own a vehicle subsidize folks who do, in so many ways?

While we’re at it, billionaires should start paying tax. Warren Buffett says he’s in favour.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

#### Quote (CWB1)

occasional tobacco product

That is a very rare thing.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Why should folks who perform work that requires their vehicle have a box attached to the back be punished? Ideas like that are short sighted and harmful.

What kind of vehicles do contractors use to service wind farms?

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

I may lean libertarian in many ways, but "sin tax" is a reasonable thing to me most of the time.

We don't want to get the the point where we have a 'nanny-state' telling us what food we can consume and can't consume. However, I am very much in favor of tying taxes to the effect of those taxes whenever possible.

If you force all funding for the highway system to come from gas taxes, then that better reflects the cost of those systems. Right? If you use 10x as much gas (because you drive a semi) then the cost you incur is more in line with your usage of the thing you're paying taxes for. That makes perfect sense to me.

Similar things for Alcohol and Tobacco. If you're using the tax on those products for abuse prevention programs then you're tying the cost of those programs to the product that is necessitating those costs. Maybe even throw in some of the cost associated with dealing with DUI's, or public health services related to alcohol or tobacco related illnesses.

We can do similar things with CO2 emissions for power. Add taxes on power plant based on their CO2 emissions and use those taxes to pay for any "clean air" alternatives. Be it expanding hydro, nuclear, solar, wind. Maybe even projects to re-build forests, research Fusion research. Make the "sin" pay for the measures we use to treat the sin.

If the costs go up so high that people are objecting then at least they have an understanding of how much money is being spent on these other projects.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

thx greg !

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Tug,

It must require sensational effort to misrepresent my words so consistently badly.

And that bogus reason you keep throwing up for not creating green infrastructure stretches credulity to the breaking point. I guess I should quit my job at the renewables factory because my commute produces carbon - that’s basically the logic. And we should just keep ploughing investment into FF infrastructure and subsidizing Big Oil to the tune of billions.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Why single out pickup trucks with such ire? They don't make up the majority of vehicles on the road and they don't emit exponentially more CO2 than typical cars.

The list you produced seems to target people for being productive and not for polluting.

Renewables factory? Would you be willing to let us know what types of renewables you are involved with?

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

sin tax... as long as the financial penalty is cumulative, too.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

#### Quote (We can do similar things with CO2 emissions for power.)

As long as the end result is cutting down on CO2 emissions and not just directly forwarding the cost on to the consumer. The consumer will already be picking up the ticket for a lot of other increased costs due to climate change.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

What kind of vehicles do contractors use to service wind farms?

I've commissioned and serviced multiple wind farms in the Upper Midwest. A 4x4 pickup is the most practical vehicle. Working on any kind of apparatus in the main (collector) substation requires several big, heavy test sets. Working in the control house requires less.

Working on the GSU's or anything in the towers absolutely requires 4x4. The access roads may be gravel, many are not. Depending on the time of year, mud or snow is very common. Cable fault locating is even more of a challenge and those underground 35kV cables have many splices in them that tend to fail.

Some of the big farms in MN and the Dakota's don't have reliable cell phone service, so if you get stuck, you may be there for a while.

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#### Quote (Why single out pickup trucks with such ire?)

How about privately owned vehicles? Weed out the gas guzzlers and single use transport, or at least make it very expensive for that. There has to be some sort of sliding scale so that once you use up your allotment of gasoline, the extra stuff gets real costly.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

It's all called income redistribution. They're coming after yours next.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

The redistribution has to be based on usage and effect. There will have to be some big changes in transportation in the not too distant future, I suspect.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Start by simply enforcing CAFE by not permitting so many ridiculous exemptions.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

A big part of the solution will be individuals scaling back on overconsumption of FF burners; i.e. big boys and their big toys.
Time has come to be less selfish and infantile about these matters.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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"so that once you use up your allotment of gasoline" ... so you mean rationing ?

whilst you're at it ...
who needs single family housing ? ... 1 bedrm, a common bathrm, kitchen, and lounge is what you "need".
who needs "fancy" cloths ? ... grey is a nice colour
vacations ? ... "busman's holiday for you"

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Big boys and their toys are such an infinitesimally small contribution. Any attempt at targeting them is strictly symbolic. A pickup truck and a boat in the driveway is a strictly American symbol and that really irritates some people.

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#### Quote (brimstoner)

Start by simply enforcing CAFE by not permitting so many ridiculous exemptions.

Can you elaborate on what CAFE is? Is that one of the Climate Accords?

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With tobacco and alcohol... it was a manner that the government could gain revenue, making it sound like a 'good thing'. Smoke and Mirrors 101.

Yup, govts do love boogeymen. Those two industries alone have contributed trillions to the coffers between punishing manufacturers for legal advertising/other practices and exorbitant production/inventory taxes, nvm sales/sin/consumption taxes paid by consumers that often double the product price. The truly amazing bit to me tho is that the public largely believes the nonsense. Lifelong chain-smokers have a lower risk of lung cancer than California residents, yet many correlate smoking to lung cancer and California to govt hypochondria about everything causing cancer rather than cancer itself. Rather ironically, nuclear weapons and by association nuclear energy is probably the only boogeyman that is larger thanks to the Cold War.

If the goal is to encourage healthy living by penalizing the unhealthy, then let's punish those with high healthcare costs. Put a hefty tax on anything beyond annual physicals and dental cleanings to discourage the public from partaking in anything further. I suspect doing so tho would upset the hypocritical senses of folks wanting to simultaneously declare those with high healthcare costs victims and villains.

And no, occasional use of tobacco is far from rare, just as many who enjoying drinking rarely do so. I know very few habitual smokers anymore but fewer yet who would turn down an offered cigar, pinch of dip, or cocktail.

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#### Quote (TugBoatEng)

Big boys and their toys are such an infinitesimally small contribution.

I'm not sure the point is to target them specifically. But, to target CONSUMPTION in general. There are environmental 'moralists' who will attribute virtue with conservation of energy or water or such.

Personally, I'm more of an "economist" in my outlook on this subject than a moralist.... We have a lifestyle that we live which depends on a cheap (but problematic) commodity. Essentially, our economy is addicted to cheap and plentiful fossil fuels. It's not possible to quit cold turkey. But, we have to find a way to transition away from our addiction.

The way to do that (economically speaking) is to add the extra costs that these fossil fuels are necessitating into the price. While introducing alternatives that are partially subsidized (due to their reduced impact on our environment).

This isn't 'free market' capitalism because it's punishing one action and rewarding another. But, still relies on much of the free market mechanics to help our population make a smoother and easier transition.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

Note: I should point out that the type of interference in the economy is a dangerous business and is often fraught with error. Often causing results that are exactly the opposite of what was intended.

Look at what what we (and Europe) has done in the past. We've added all kinds of "clean energy" restrictions on "bad industries" like manufacturing. That raised the cost of manufacturing and companies have largely switched their global manufacturing to other countries without ANY clean energy restrictions. So, now those same goods are manufactured in China in facilities that get their energy from Coal powered plants instead of natural gas or nuclear. Then we have to ship those products across the world to get to the Western consumers. Causing even more CO2 emissions in the transportation.

Therefore, we'd probably also want to introduce tariffs on imports from countries or regions that still rely on coal power or such.

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whilst you're at it ...
who needs single family housing ? ... 1 bedrm, a common bathrm, kitchen, and lounge is what you "need".
who needs "fancy" cloths ? ... grey is a nice colour
vacations ? ... "busman's holiday for you"

Full send....

add grocery stores to the list of unnecessary sinful luxuries, shipping in food from half a world away creates plenty of emissions vs forcing folks to grow a garden and hunt locally.
add the national mail systems, they create plenty of emissions and incentivize sending paper rather than electrons.
add shaving products, nature gave us hair for a reason and shaving wastes energy

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#### Quote (who needs single family housing ?)

It appears most people cannot afford this anymore...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11080955/...

#### Quote (so you mean rationing)

Yes, but not transferrable... If you can't use it, you lose it; you cannot re-sell your surplus.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

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#### Quote (Big boys and their toys are such an infinitesimally small contribution)

A small part but cumulative. Your pickup truck and boat can remain in your driveway... it's never bothered me... but fuel from both comes from your allotment.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

#### Quote (Personally, I'm more of an "economist" in my outlook on this subject than a moralist.... We have a lifestyle that we live which depends on a cheap (but problematic) commodity. Essentially, our economy is addicted to cheap and plentiful fossil fuels. It's not possible to quit cold turkey. But, we have to find a way to transition away from our addiction.)

I suspect that will change in the not too distant future.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

dik, you do realise your policies would condemn maybe 90% of the human population to death. And I'm pretty sure they won't go down without a fight (and probably make do for the other 10%).

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

### RE: Actual solution not just weather trivia - small nuke certified

The planet is sending a clear message that we need to scale back. The status quo is driving us off a cliff.

So unless you believe technological solutions will allow to have our cake and eat it too, where do members suggest we begin?

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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#### Quote (dik, you do realise your policies would condemn maybe 90% of the human population to death. And I'm pretty sure they won't go down without a fight (and probably make do for the other 10%).)

Maybe just a different life... but, I'm not sure we aren't headed in that direction currently.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

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#### Quote (The status quo is driving us off a cliff.)

like lemmings... My Grade 11 Literature teacher had a word for it, 'Weltschmerz'.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

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Weltschmerz

Wasn’t there a comic strip with that name?

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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Yes there was

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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I didn't know that... 60 years ago?

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

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actually, lemmings don't jump of cliffs ... it was all a Disney creation (from 1958 I believe)

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

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I'm curious about these reactors modules. How are they different than the marine reactors? There have been many ships and barges, military, civilian, American, Soviet. They all have modular reactors as have all been built within reasonable timeframes. Have they ever had serious incidents? And these are operated by our least competent organizations. It seems safe modular reactors have existed since the beginning of nuclear power. What am I missing here?

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#### Quote (TugboatEng)

And these are operated by our least competent organizations.

Ouch. Not going to say there aren't plenty of incompetent people in Naval Nuclear Power....but think of it more as the best and brightest organization within a larger, more incompetent organization. We were pretty isolated from a lot of the real non-sense in the fleet. What we all thought was non-sense in nuclear power as 20 year olds was, in retrospect, the reason there have not been major safety issues with nuclear reactors on naval ships.

But yeah...nuclear power can be done small and it can be done safe. And in rather unstable and inhospitable places. Standing watch in a plant on a carrier going through a storm taking waves over the flight deck...we couldn't rely on most instruments and had to work out tank levels by figuring how long it took the high and low level alarm to sound based on the distance from the center line. That was a fun night...

Edit: This is just my experience with the US Navy. No telling what the Soviets may have covered up...

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#### Quote (dik)

A small part but cumulative

Members here should get acquainted with ‘The Tragedy of the Commons’, which IIRC dates back to the 1960s. I see it playing out daily, in many ways.

Though I am confident many members will totally misconstrue and/or attack the concept.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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#### Quote (TugBoatEng)

There have been many ships and barges, military, civilian, American, Soviet. They all have modular reactors as have all been built within reasonable timeframes. Have they ever had serious incidents? And these are operated by our least competent organizations. It seems safe modular reactors have existed since the beginning of nuclear power. What am I missing here?

You make a really good point that many of us have overlooked. This is VERY possible and the technology is pretty proven. Makes you wonder why this hasn't already been done.

Personally, I think the public has an irrational fear of nuclear power. That and "faux" environmentalists prefer more problematic solar and wind as "clean" energy sources.

But, another obstacle would be security. A naval ship is pretty damned secure. Every person aboard is a member of the security team. It's got weapons to protect itself. Plus, it can move around. Anyone who's planning to blow it up or steal nuclear material from it has their work cut out for them. If there is a nuclear meltdown then the only ones directly affected are the crew (because the core would melt through the hull and fall into the ocean and be cooled by the sea water).

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#### Quote (actually, lemmings don't jump of cliffs)

I was well aware of that... I think it pre-dates Disney...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

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then there's this (counter opinion) ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ3DvcXd3mM

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

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Thanks for that, rb1957

A balanced and comprehensive overview.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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"A pickup truck and a boat in the driveway is a strictly American symbol...."

Just last night there was a family enjoying boating in an ad or something on the TV.. I suddenly was wondering what the price, size and weight might be for a 100 to 150 HP electric outboard-ish system.

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Not to mention cruise time :)

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

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Isn’t it interesting that so many bloated vehicles are named after wild locations they are helping destroy - Yukon, Denali, Sierra, Tundra, Dakota.

It was funny that after the Simpsons did their Canyonero episode, GM went and named one of the trucks ’Canyon’. Talk about tone deaf.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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Canyon was their compact fuel efficient model...

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Canyon was their less large, less fuel inefficient model...

Fixed

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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I drove a Colorado with the diesel for 2 years, and averaged 28.7 mpg. And it was the off-roady ZR2 version.

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We should all have purchased Colorados to drive down the price of fuel and lower CO2 emissions too

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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And here we go again. Brim's solution to climate change, replace everything.

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Yeah, they may ban diesels. They banned fossil fuel power plants. Look how that worked.

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#### Quote (brimstoner)

We should all have purchased Colorados to drive down the price of fuel and lower CO2 emissions too

If we all bought diesels would it shut you up

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It would shut us all up on account of the filthy fumes.

Got anything else to contribute besides bile?

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

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Projector in Chief! You are a special breed, brimmer. You and ironic metallurgist, did you go to the same school in Toronto? Are you the same person?

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(OP)
Of course our 2 mendicant states, South Australia and Tasmania, both claim to be bignum% renewable, and both have had to buy or rent massive diesel powered generators for months after a time after they blew up their interconnectors which connect them to reliable electricity.

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#### Quote:

Projector in Chief! You are a special breed, brimmer. You and ironic metallurgist, did you go to the same school in Toronto? Are you the same person?

OMG, I never even thought of that. They do act a lot alike. Come to think of it, I think there is a decent chance that they're the same person. Wasn't Ironic Metallurgist banned from the platform for the way he acted? I think I remember hearing something along those lines.

I know I was against it. Even though IronicMetallurgist drove me nuts sometimes, he did give an interesting perspective when he was being intentionally combative.

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From his interesting but combative perspective about diesel fumes, the tier 4 engines are quite clean when working correctly. I have to wonder what the CO2 cost of all of the urea they're consuming is, though.

In fact, as California has required suppliers to evaluate the cancer potential their products via prop 65 and the FDA requires nutrition information on all food items, it's time we add a CO2 footprint to product labels. Absolutely CO2 cost should be included in Environmental Impact Reports.

Then again, this might upset the brimmers of the world as it would shoot their social renewal, replace everything plan full of holes.

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I get the +ve sense in that, however I'm 100% certain that there'll be "rules" that allow you to "discount" some of your CO2 production, and it'll turn into a scam.

How would you push power producers to reduce their CO2 emissions ?

How do you push manufacturers to reduce their consumption of power ? An easy (but ineffective way) is to push component production offshore (so that the CO2 is produced somewhere else)

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

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In another word, fraud. Isn't that what the whole zero carbon 'footprint' scam is about?

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I think the mechanism that allows people/companies to gloat over their "zero carbon footprint" is open to a lot of abuse ... called it a scam or fraud it doesn't fix the problem.

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General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

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