Wow. If only there was some way I could give them some money!

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

Well, their website sure makes you wanna to go out and invest all your spare cash...

https://panhwarjet.com/panhwarenergyday/

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That plane seems to be very similar to the first picture in this thread. A bit of plagiarism maybe?

https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=486123

Where are the"details" MJC?
The website is devoid of anything even vaguely technical.

Remember - More details = better answers
Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.

The renderings are an insult. If you're gonna steal money, do it with a bit more attention to detail.

Their actual news blurb
https://www.avfoil.com/airplanes/defying-the-law-o...

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Some gullible VC has chucked 10 million bucks of somebody else's money into this.

On May 2, 2022, a final test was conducted with an updated prototype, where ElectroEdge produced 7.36kw (AC) given the input was merely 511watts (DC), meaning it generated over 14 times more energy compared to the input (Output: 120volts and 61.3amps: Input: 22.2V and 23Amps). Above all, ElectroEdge can be entirely customizable based on load and application demands.

Bear in mind that this prototype was 3D printed, according to Co-Founder and Chief Engineer Nick Panhwar, around 35% of the efficiency is naturally expected to intensify when the unit is constructed with titanium and aluminum.

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Wow - if they are getting a power gain they should try putting a few dozen of these in series. With that amount of energy available we can start building Ring World.

LAS VEGAS! I feeeel lucky!

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

If I were to be charitable for just a moment....

Do we think it's possible they genuinely measured both 120 volts and 61.3 amps, just not the phase relationship between them?

A

https://www.utahbusiness.com/private-electric-jets...

I know nothing about the VC game,but suppose one Swensen has a group of clients.that need to generate some losses to offset real gains elsewhere...

This kind of thing should work

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

"Defying the law of physics through the Panhwar energy system that proficiently powers electric plane"

You gotta like the alliteration there. I'd donate a few French francs to the cause...since they're worthless now anyways.

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suppose one Swensen has a group of clients.that need to generate some losses to offset real gains elsewhere...

Then they'd be on-par with the corporate donations/write-offs that fund much of university "research" today.

I've worked with quite a few similar entrepreneurs in engine development. The bit I always find interesting is googling founders' careers, many tend to be serial entrepreneurs with businesses ranging from fast food to spaceflight.

Well, go with what you know I guess...

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

Assuming the image in the OP is an accurate mock-up of the test setup, what are the odds that they tested this thing in an open field with the wind blowing across the 'Turbine' blades? So they use a little fan to blow on it and measure the power input at the motor leads, but then the wind skews their results and spins the turbine 14x as fast as the little fan could?

You think it was even a real, physical test? Or a simulation, maybe?

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

The fact that they don't see a problem with stating, "DEFYING THE LAW OF PHYSICS THROUGH THE PANHWAR ENERGY SYSTEM THAT PROFICIENTLY POWERS ELECTRIC PLANES" is a problem in itself. Getting above unity is cray-cray enough, but 14x?

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"Jet"

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

"I do not think it means what you think it means." I can't believe the internet has allowed that gif to exist...

phamENG, I plead guilty of carelessness in my selection. I only really looked it after posting. Do with me what you will :)

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

As long as you don't have 6 fingers on your right hand, there's no need to prepare to die.

No, only 5. Thanks for your mercy :)

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

It's so unfair to post this alien technology from planet BSUltra in a forum full of people that only know a thing or two about Earth physics... in planet BSUltra this jet arrangement works like a charm...

Strangely enough the layout is similar to that of the Ljungström steam turbine, which had a central radial flow turbine, with two sets of contra rotating blades, each driving a separate ac generator. These were electrically connected with stators in parallel and fields in series, and electrically treated as one generator. Applying the field in run up would bring the two into step. Turbine technology died out as it could not deal with higher steam pressures. 50MW about largest rating i think.

Ljungström became STAL (Svenska Turbinfabriks AB Ljungström), who became ASEA who became part of ABB.

Getting back to this fantasy, i note with glee that they have a hot air generator in the middle!

i wonder if they used a catapult launcher (aircraft carrier type) to get it into flight & generating power?

If it is as good as they say, how do they reduce power to land it?

Yes, indeed, HOXTON ... there is a large and powerful "hot air" generator in the middle of the device.

As we both know, "Hot Air" Generation is commonly used on the MBA planet BSUltra,

MedicineEng, Sir .... As always, you are on the money and correct !!

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I think you've confused the planet of origin with Unobtainium

I just found out that the founder of Panhwar is a woman, so possible shades of Elizabeth Holmes and "fake it until you make it"

She and Nick Panhwar (relationship unclear) are supposed serial entrepreneurs, but a previous startup Teamknit with also great press https://psa.cioreview.com/vendor/2018/teamknit but clicking on the first product in the products pulldown results in errors from a company that's barely 4 years old

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Well, you know, you mine that deposit, then you move on :)

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

The intro to one website or article does say they are married.

But I have no idea how they have managed to get someone to throw away the amount of money that they have reportedly got to "develop" this piece of nonsense.

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The wife is obviously very good at marketing, like Elizabeth Holmes.

https://www.criticalmassforbusiness.com/2018/12/pr... They claimed to be "top 20 of promising tools" but nowhere does it say who ranked them that high on pure vaporware.
https://www.inter-tech-ion.tech/appoon-is-seeking-... so possibly only within the CSUF "Incubator"

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IRStuff:
Unobtainium is the metalloid that is the construction material of this gadget.
It can only be found in planet BSUltra...

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She and Nick Panhwar (relationship unclear) are supposed serial entrepreneurs

Maybe it is just me, but I've never heard of a successful business person described as a serial entrepreneur. It is always scammers. If they ever had a successful business they would refer to themselves as the founder of said business. If they tried this even a year or two ago they would probably have gotten some VC funding taken the company public via SPAC, and left some unsophisticated retail investors holding the bag.

With interest rates on the rise, this type of vapor ware garbage will hopefully die out, without reaching Nikola or Theranos levels of enthusiasm. I'm probably to optimistic on that front though; because, there are still plenty of morons buying into trash coins and NFTs promising 2000% returns.

Serial entrepreneurs do exist, ala Elon Musk, but the label should only apply to successful ones. The Panhwars are not, and have not even had one successful company yet.

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I never said serial entrepreneurs don't exist, just that successful ones usually don't refer to themselves by that term. While the term "serial entrepreneur" does technically apply to Elon Musk, and likely many other successful business owners, they don't describe themselves in that way. Even the media doesn't usually refer to Musk with that term. The terms I normally see are something along the limes of "tech billionaire" or the name of one his companies followed by CEO, founder, or billionaire. If some one refers to themselves as a genius, visionary, or any other elevating adjective in my opinion they are usually anything but, and are attempting to frame your perception of themselves. This tactic is commonly used by con-artists to grant an air of respectability.

I get what you say, but even Investopedia describes a series of people as "serial entrepreneurs." https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-fin...

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All I know is that apps are being developed that will overcome all of Newton's laws and Einstein's too.

Where would humanity be without a steady supply of fresh young STEMmers?

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

Well, Nick P. has certainly been endorsed for relevant skills (LinkedIn screenshot attached ).

• https://files.engineering.com/getfile.aspx?folder=0c3907be-f936-4058-8e33-3

At least a few of those "endorsements" are almost bots, random people selling their own stuff, and using the endorsements as free advertising

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I guess my tongue wasn't firmly enough in cheek: I was hinting at none of those endorsements being for a technical/engineering aspect, regardless of if it's a bot or otherwise making such.

Now if someone could just come up with a scheme for Perpetual Motion Flying Unicorns I'd be prepared to throw all my money at it and probably mortgage my house too.

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"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

...Pink Unicorns.

Wow, those are rare. Would probably be 'optional at extra cost'.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

Well they are rainbow unicorns from 6/1 to 6/30 if the company has any of the overwhelming sense every other company's marketing department has.

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