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How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

(OP)
I am trying to calculate the required Natural Fuel Gas Flow rate that I will need to increase my Hot Oil Temperature from 80 to 450 F.

RE: How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

Then you need to know how much oil or a flow rate and if it's a volume, how long a period do you want?

Then calculate the energy needed and use day 85% efficiency and then divide by the CV of your gas.

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RE: How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

(OP)
flow rate 2000 gallons per minute . What would the formula be?

RE: How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

First work out your mass flow rate.

The find the heat capacity of your particular oil over the range of temperature.

This gives you your heat required over what ever time step you choose - second, minute, hour, day

Then apply some sort of efficiency for your fired heater - maybe 80-85%? which gives you total heat from your gas,

Then divide this number by the calorific Value (CV) of your "gas".

Or ask a VENDOR to do it all for you.



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RE: How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

Good Luck LittleInch ...

You are in a "gimme tha formula" situation here ...

MJCronin
Sr. Process Engineer

RE: How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

Hi,
Just a heat balance to perform but you need info about hot oil , Flow rate ( mass ) , heat capacity : Q = Mass Hot oil *Cp Hot oil *delta T = Mass natural gas * Heat value .Heat value should be sourced from your vendor and should appear on your monthly bill .

Pierre

RE: How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

Thermal eff of the heater would be about 0.8 with economiser in the stack, or about 0.6 without economiser.
Also, use the lower heating value of the natural gas (LHV) and not the HHV (higher heating value).

RE: How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

(OP)
Thank you guys, much appreciated.

RE: How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

So what's your answer?

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Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.

RE: How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

Are you sure T1 is 80degF? Most recirculating hot oil loops would have T1 much higher.

RE: How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

(OP)
I used the Hot Oil Q(Heat) I was able to find it, and that Qi equated to the Mass flow rate I was looking for and divde over the NHV of my natural gas. And solved!!

RE: How to estimate Natural Gas Fuel flow rate

Don't forget you need to allow for the efficiency of the heater. Depending on your design this could be anywhere from ~60% to 90% efficiency. Makes a big difference.

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