Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
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What would be a recommended material for machining a cylinder sleeve?
G3000 spun-cast iron seem to be quite popular, but I'd love to hear an expert opinion on this.
Application is an air-cooled motorcycle engine; aluminum finned shell, pressed-in flanged sleeve.
The sleeves have 3-1/2" bore, 1/8" wall thickness, about 6-3/4" total length.
EDITED to add: this is 100% custom design, not a catalogue item (unfortunately).
Thanks!!!
G3000 spun-cast iron seem to be quite popular, but I'd love to hear an expert opinion on this.
Application is an air-cooled motorcycle engine; aluminum finned shell, pressed-in flanged sleeve.
The sleeves have 3-1/2" bore, 1/8" wall thickness, about 6-3/4" total length.
EDITED to add: this is 100% custom design, not a catalogue item (unfortunately).
Thanks!!!
RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
CI liners work great, but are usually thicker.
Thin sleeves are often steels, usually low alloy med carbon grades.
Look in aftermarket catalogs, you will see a wide range of options.
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RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
OEM replacements not available?
Aftermarket replacements not available?
Not possible to bore or hone the existing and use oversize rings?
RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
Steel is probably out of the question due to cost and lack of desired longevity.
This is custom application, no OEM replacements available that I could think of.
RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
Is there a reason that you can't get a piece of 3.5 pipe in 4130 or 4140 and just machine it?
The material isn't special and neither is the size.
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RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
The OEM sleeve material for this application is gray iron and I'd like to stick with that, just trying to figure out the correct Grade.
RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
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Plenty of tech info about flange design, installation fits, caveats about missing cylinder material etc.
https://www.melling.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06...
RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
https://www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/cyli...
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RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
They aren't that expensive.
Or have Melling make it for you, though that will cost.
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RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
If your cylinder is rigid enough on its own you can have it plated with Nickle-Silicon carbide and diamond honed. (U.S. Chrome in Fond du Lac, WI) Ask about preferred ring face treatments.
RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
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RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
with the dimensions provided ( ID, OD, length)it sure looks to me like there are commercial sleeves that could be used directly, or be a good starting point for modification.
Another option night be Dura-bar gray iron or ductile . Short lengths of mighty similar sounding material are available from McMaster Carr.
The sizes and materials available as Dura Tube are not very obvious on their website.
There might be some grade of commercially available pipe worth looking at.
RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves
If you care about cost, which you do according to your statement about steel being too expensive, than your most cost effective option BY FAR is to find an existing sleeve with the correct bore and OD, which you would design your block to accept. A sleeve being steel vs. cast iron is not a significant driver of cost; a sleeve being custom made from bar or rotary cast, then heat treated, machined, and honed is a HUGE cost driver. In other words, a custom cast iron sleeve is going to cost you way, way more than an existing steel sleeve that you can buy off the shelf.
You also say that whatever you're doing is '100% custom' but also that there's an OEM sleeve for whatever application you're working on. So which is it?
RE: Material selection - Cylinder sleeves