Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
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My wife and I are looking into the possibility of moving to Europe, specifically Amsterdam, within the next year. I have 6 years experience doing consulting work for bridge design in a few major East Coast cities. My experience is a mix of design, construction support, inspection and management. I haven't had much experience with complex bridge designs (i.e things besides simple span steel girders/concrete deck) though its a direction I'm interested in heading in. I just sat for my PE, and wouldn't plan to move until I'm licensed. I also recently got my masters in structural engineering. Ideally I want to stay within the bridge or at least infrastructure field.
I have a number of questions I want to look into before moving forward with this, so I figured I'd put them all here and if anyone has any thoughts on even one of these it would be very helpful. I'm new to the forums so if there is a better place - or even a better website - to post this please let me know.
1. Has anyone moved from US to EU, doing any type of engineering? What was the transition like? In terms of workplace culture, project setup, design codes and processes used, work-life balance, etc. Obviously any experience specifically with bridge design and/or the Netherlands would be best but I'm trying to cast a wide net here.
2. With my experience what pay range could I expect? My general sense is to expect less than I'm making now (~80k USD) but with a lower cost of living on many fronts. I did a back of the envelope calculation a while ago that the amount I pay for taxes + healthcare currently would add up to about the same over there (with more on taxes and less on healthcare), but I gotta look into that a little closer as well.
3. This one is a bit more specific to the country/field - where are the bridge design jobs usually found? In-house at public agencies, multinational companies, local companies, specialty firms, etc? Do I have any chance just cold applying from across the world or do I need a recruiter, an in with an American company with a presence over there, etc? I also need to know more about how work visas will work in general but I can save that question for a non-engineering forum.
4. Another specific one - how difficult will the transition be from working with AASHTO to Eurocode?
5. Any thoughts on the way the industry is heading over there? What I'm getting at is over here it seems the direction is design-build, smaller budgets and tighter schedules, lots of engineers getting burnt out and producing sloppier work in general because we're always in a crunch. It would be a huge plus if I could get away from this trend.
6. Here's a general question for anyone working abroad anywhere - how difficult will it be to maintain my PE license? Assuming I'm working at a local company which won't necessarily pay for me to attend online or in-person seminars that give American PDH credits, how much should I expect to pay per year to maintain it? Would I be able to get by with a mix of online and local in-person courses or would I have to travel back to the US for in-person ones? And outside of PDHs, is there anything else I'd need to do to maintain it while abroad?
7. If I were to move back to the US say 2, 5, 10 years down the line, would my experience there be an advantage or disadvantage in terms of positions and salary available to me? I know this one depends on too many variables to really give an answer but any thoughts or personal experience would be interesting.
8. Any other thoughts, advice, relevant info, etc
Apologies for the huge post but I really appreciate any input anyone might have.
I have a number of questions I want to look into before moving forward with this, so I figured I'd put them all here and if anyone has any thoughts on even one of these it would be very helpful. I'm new to the forums so if there is a better place - or even a better website - to post this please let me know.
1. Has anyone moved from US to EU, doing any type of engineering? What was the transition like? In terms of workplace culture, project setup, design codes and processes used, work-life balance, etc. Obviously any experience specifically with bridge design and/or the Netherlands would be best but I'm trying to cast a wide net here.
2. With my experience what pay range could I expect? My general sense is to expect less than I'm making now (~80k USD) but with a lower cost of living on many fronts. I did a back of the envelope calculation a while ago that the amount I pay for taxes + healthcare currently would add up to about the same over there (with more on taxes and less on healthcare), but I gotta look into that a little closer as well.
3. This one is a bit more specific to the country/field - where are the bridge design jobs usually found? In-house at public agencies, multinational companies, local companies, specialty firms, etc? Do I have any chance just cold applying from across the world or do I need a recruiter, an in with an American company with a presence over there, etc? I also need to know more about how work visas will work in general but I can save that question for a non-engineering forum.
4. Another specific one - how difficult will the transition be from working with AASHTO to Eurocode?
5. Any thoughts on the way the industry is heading over there? What I'm getting at is over here it seems the direction is design-build, smaller budgets and tighter schedules, lots of engineers getting burnt out and producing sloppier work in general because we're always in a crunch. It would be a huge plus if I could get away from this trend.
6. Here's a general question for anyone working abroad anywhere - how difficult will it be to maintain my PE license? Assuming I'm working at a local company which won't necessarily pay for me to attend online or in-person seminars that give American PDH credits, how much should I expect to pay per year to maintain it? Would I be able to get by with a mix of online and local in-person courses or would I have to travel back to the US for in-person ones? And outside of PDHs, is there anything else I'd need to do to maintain it while abroad?
7. If I were to move back to the US say 2, 5, 10 years down the line, would my experience there be an advantage or disadvantage in terms of positions and salary available to me? I know this one depends on too many variables to really give an answer but any thoughts or personal experience would be interesting.
8. Any other thoughts, advice, relevant info, etc
Apologies for the huge post but I really appreciate any input anyone might have.
RE: Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
RE: Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
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RE: Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
I'm curious what you mean with the remark about 10 years experience? Do you mean it would be hard to find a job internationally with less than 10 years experience?
RE: Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
RE: Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
A corollary question might be whether you can keep working for a US company, although the tax equation might be awful.
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RE: Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
Im not Dutch myself (Danish). Generally i think you will find that cost of living is high in Holland (and most likely Amsterdam will be the most expensive part) but i would expect salaries to match this.
Best regards, Morten
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RE: Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
As to how industry is heading in Europe, I cannot speak to the CE/SE space but product engineering and manufacturing has been in a race to leave the past decade. Most of it is heading east but some is coming stateside.
RE: Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
MortenA - While I really would like to stick with bridges/infrastructure, I suppose I'm not closed off to structural work in the energy sphere either. Do you happen to know any good career websites or recruiting agencies that would be a good place to start looking for jobs? I've already compiled a list of companies to look into but would like to start somewhere more general before cold contacting companies. Agreed about learning Dutch, it would definitely be a priority before/once we move. Just curious about in comparison with your country - in Copenhagen for example, would communication in most engineering offices be fully in Danish or English as well?
CWB1 - Thanks for all the info. Do you have any personal experience with working internationally and obtaining work visas?
RE: Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
In addition it depends what type of visa/work permit you have.
Netherlands is a great place to experience - much different than the US. I encourage to do it even if you get a much lower paid job. Your money can get stolen... no one can take the experience from you.
RE: Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
RE: Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering
Wrt Dutch companies im uncertain i never worked in Holland myself.
Best regards, Morten
--- Best regards, Morten Andersen
RE: Moving from US to EU - Bridge Engineering