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Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
This year well I got the tiniest potatoes ever!
Okey I planted them quite late but still..

The only potatoes that had any size, was the wild ones that escaped and grows here and there, and I even discovered that one variety isn't even one that I have had myself. ponder
They where actually really good so will save some for next year, so I will get new ones.
They have super dark red skin and is all red inside!

Not even my Red Duke of York had any size this year they usually are like big red apples.

The almond "mandel" potatoes (the yellow ones) on the picture is the largest the rest are much smaller.



And I only got six plums., but they where good, they are all gone now.



At least there are many chilis.. only one red yet and about thirty to go..



“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

chili's!

a favorite breakfast is potatoes, bacon, and eggs smothered with chili's.

thanks for the reminder as i have some Hatch green chili's in the freezer!

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
Never had chili with bacon.
Usually have it in thai, or other spicy stews or pasta with garlic, chili and scrimps or chili con carne. smile

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RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

People pay extra for tiny potatoes, but it does really hurt the yield.
I have given up on them.
My peppers (sweet and hot) are still trying to set fruit, and I am ripping them all off.
We only have a couple of weeks left in the season here in WI.

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RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Our vegetables were all very late this year in California as well, especially tomatoes.

I have a rocoto pepper bish that puts out peppers 2-3x a year. That thing is prolific. They're very hot, though.

Don't let those potatoes escape their containment or that's all you'll be growing.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Jersey royals are the same size and they taste lovely

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
Those are Spanish peppers they are medium hot, I think they work you just put more in if you want it hotter.
I toke seeds from one I bought at the store years ago.
Since I have them in a container I take them inside when it gets to cold, then they go red but the air inside is so dry when the heat is on so the plants don't like it very much not even if you keep watering them they get all kinds of problems.

Well this thing with the potatoes I think someone must have dropped some when they passed by my allotment, or some vole have snatch them somewhere and stashed them in my plot. ponder
If it had been some variety that I had myself it would probable been me.
Almost every year when starting to prepare, I find potatoes that has been lying in the earth over winter, if they are super small like a centimeter I get it, but sometimes they can be the size of an apple !
And every time I think how could I have missed that one. lol

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

you more than likely didn't.


Its a professional qualification in Scotland "tattie roguer" cleaning out all the funnys from seed potato fields.

Tatties do actually produce seeds when they flower and birds etc will spread them about.

People prefer growing them from seed tuber clones though then there is no genetic chance changes occurring But you can grow them from the flower seeds as well.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
Potato thieves ? lol yea why not..

Those Jersey Royals seems quite close the our Mandel potatoes.

Mine is so small I think I need to eat them now no point saving them.
It will take forever to peal them and nothing will be left if the skin gets thicker as it does when you put them in the earth cellar.
No scrub them and cook or fry them and butter and salt.... and maybe some surströmming..

These wildlings I think it must be this one, Heiderot.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
It might have been 4 or 5 years ago there where some potato thieves around.
The ones that had the allotment opposite mine on the other side the ditch didn't have any potatoes when they where going to take them up.
There were a lot of theories to what had happened, that someone had been there digging under the plants stealing them or that they had rotted away and so on.
Then when they where digging and taking away the foliage, they found this tunnel so they started digging and followed it and ended up outside the potato patch and in a grassy area, and there was a burrow or actually a couple all filled with potatoes.
There was quite a lot of water voles that year I remember. lol


“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

They are not thieves :D

They are actually very well paid they only work for a couple of months a year. A lot of school teachers do it because the seasons are when they have holidays and they can earn 3 times as much doing it than they can in the class room.

Basically there are different grades of fields and the least valuable is called ware which is the standard that you eat. Above that they are seed potatoes. They take out any plants which are not the seed type and also the diseased plants. Its back breaking hard labour. The course is 2 weeks long and the exam to be certified has a high failure rate. And needs to be repeated every 5 years. I have never done it but know people that have. There was in Aberdeenshire a bunch of local lady's called team bikini. Because they were seen day after day in their bikinis working the fields. All the local fellas made hooters jokes about it. They were actually one of the top highly fought over teams in the area. I think out of 6 of them only one of them doesn't have a Phd and one of them is high up in the vaccine setup in Oxford.

My role was rescuing and fixing the transport cars as a team bikini big brother.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
I know. lol
It was just that roguer translated to thief winky smile
I did get that it was wrong..

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

As strange as it sounds, I have been digging my potatoes, and have some of the largest potatoes I have grown. That said the gold potatoes are usually small, but my purple potatoes were also some of the largest.
It was wet this spring, so that may have had something to do with it.

I am now finding roots from a near by tree in my potato patch. I am ripping them out, so I wonder whet to do with the roots. Toss them, or compost them, or put them back to compost in the patch.

But now I am see ground squirrels digging in the leaf mulch I used in some of my garden areas. They don't seem to bother the pine mulch. I am trying to make chicken wire covers, but it takes more wire than you think.
I found that cement reinforcing wire with a large spacing of the grid is a good support for the covers, but the rust seems to cover everything. Also the cost is a little high for a 42" by 84" sheet (not a full 4' X 8").
But it still works out as my beds are mostly 24" by 48" (2' by 4"). The ruling factor is my arm is just over 2" long.

Stupid animals. Deer, Turkey, ground squirrels, bear, rabbits, moles.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)

Quote (cranky)

It was wet this spring, so that may have had something to do with it.
Most probably.
It's good watering the potatoes when they are starting to sprout and are setting the potatoes.
Usually I give them water when I plant them depending on how moist the earth is and maybe ones or twice after they start coming up with foliage three or four sets of leaves, but mostly they have to fend for them selves.
But this year in July it was so hot the foliage started to foliage droop Have never seen that before.

Well I also have roots coming into my potato patch and it is the worst kind aspen..
They go with one rot and then it divides into tree and then it goes on and then they shoot up here and there.
I dig them up as far as I can and then I leave them on top of the ground somewhere over the winter or until they have dried out then I put them in the compost.
If the rots are fresh and you put them back in the earth or the compost some of them can start grow again.

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But now I am see ground squirrels digging in the leaf mulch I used in some of my garden areas. They don't seem to bother the pine mulch. I am trying to make chicken wire covers, but it takes more wire than you think.
What are they digging for. ponder

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

leprechaun food...

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

I assume digging for bugs. The same thing the turkeys dig for.
They will also dig up onion sets, but I have not planted any this year. Just onion seeds.
The walking onions seem to have done well, but they are planted in a bed of pine needles. So they are not being dug up.

My wife uses a bark mulch around her flowers, and they sometimes dig there. The turkeys will also dig in the bark mulch, if it not for scare crows, or placing wire (welded fencing) over it.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
The walking onions ponder

Maybe a well placed rubber snake will keep the squirrels away you might have to move it around sometimes so they don't catch on. smile

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

I didn't know that about snakes... I know that the Oshawa GO bus terminal had 'fake' owls... and after a while, they were coated with pidgeon sh*t, like everything else...

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
Well a neighbor at the allotment have just painted som twigs with a white sick sack pattern and put it in the strawberry patch, how well it works I don't know but most animals have a built in security system for that.

And I know hokie66 has a red rubber snake (that remands him of me) beside his pool to keep the ducks away, I never heard him say that it didn't work.

In Stockholm at the central station I think that they have a speaker system that play the recording of pigeon hawk ones and awhile.
And as long as I was there I never saw any pigeons.

This flying kites on a string looking as a raptor is also popular they have them at work on the roof, not sure how it works up there the pigeons are mostly "downs stairs" or inside. ha ha smile

I think dummies works for sometime but if you overdo it they will learn not to be afraid eventually.

Maybe getting a real pigeon hawk is better, not sure what kind of nests they like but putting some up might make someone like to nest there.

It is the same for electric fences it might keep bears away, but here they only recommend it for max six weeks as acute measure for bee hives that get attacked, they say the bears will start ignoring it if you use it all the time.
For deer I think it will work all the time.

/A


“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)

Quote (Alistair)

They were actually one of the top highly fought over teams in the area.

Hmmm I wonder why ponder tongue

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People pay extra for tiny potatoes, but it does really hurt the yield.
I have given up on them.

Do you mean the first "new" potatoes or just small ones?

I have tried many different variety's mainly because I don't really like potatoes unless they are this mandel "almond" potatoes that only grow here, they are a late autumn variety.
Not like the Red Duke of York that has 10 centimeter sprouts when the almond ones just has a little nobb.

But I hade a variety ones unfortunately I don't remember the name of it, but it was quite early and I remember planting three of them in jars mostly because I wanted them for midsummer and then planted them out.
From one plant I got twenty 6-7 centimeter potatoes all almost the same size really nice potatoes.
And then they had grown much more if I hade let them be.
I think it might be a question of finding the right variety to grow if you just want small ones.
Another thing is, if you want many small potatoes you put down a large potatoes and if you want few and large ones you put dawn a small one. smile



“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Walking onions are a type that is rarely found in the stores, but that don't form large bulbs either. They don't exactly form seeds, they form onion sets on there head. After some time the onion sets will fall over as if to walk over time.
They are not as useful as other onions, but they are also much less maintenance, and easy to grow.

I have a plastic Owl, that I filled with sand. But the eyes seem to have yellowed over the years. It only works for a few weeks, then the rodents come back. Fences work, but must be maintained, and they can get in the way for smaller fences. Larger fences work for deer, if tall enough.Scent sprays work until the scent is washed off. Sonic devices work, but only as long as they have sun light to recharge (a problem on windy days where they seem to operate all the time).

Scare crows only seem to work for birds, and gopher buzzers need to be replaced every few years.

Snakes would likely only scare me, or my wife (who would likely chop it up with a hoe).

So how do you grow melons? I can grow squish, and cucumbers, but melons (watermelon, or cantalope) never seem to grow.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
I was going to ask about that..
If you could grow Cantaloupe melons.

I have tried several years but never managed to get a melon.
Squash can be like weed some years and cucumbers no problem if it is a outdoor variety, there are both these small ones for making pickle and then the larger that you use for sallad.
It is not warm enough for melons I have tried some that should work in a colder climate some even from Russia.
I think in a greenhouse it might work or in a warm bedd outside which is covered with glas or plastic but I haven't made anything like that.
I did make a plastic tunnel just from som electrical PV pipes and building plastic that is used for wind shielding houses but I usually only hade it up in the spring until the frost risk was over It was quite big and not so easy to handle on my own.

I think your walking onions are what we call pipe or snake onion, I have had some of those but not anymore.
Now I have started to grow potato onions, they don't make seeds but they divide.
I got quite many this year but they are small, but I am not sure how big they actually can get. ponder
This is the second year I planted them you just save some from last year and plant them the next.
And then you get 5-6 new ones from 1.

The ones on the picture is called Red Sun.


“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Since it does not get that cold here, I leave my onions in the soil for the Winter.

I am trying to rebuild my cold frame, so maybe that would be the place for my cucumbers, and try to grow melons in the green house with the tomatoes.

My cold frame became infested with weeds several years ago and I let it go. Now it is coming apart (it is made of wood). I still have the top, as I put it away for the Summer and Winter (when I don't need it).
I am using cedar fence pickets, as they are cheep and I can use a two layer system to make the thickness, and heigh that I want. And I can save some money as broken and damaged wood is usually 70% the price of new.
The top is framed with wood, but the plastic panels are double walled, and are from a project I had 15 years ago.

Now that I know how to kill bindweed by changing the soil PH, I can reclame my cold frame.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
Well for cucumbers what I have discovered is that you need to shield them from to much wind and sun when you plant them out until the rotsystem is established and they start to shot again.
So I have started to plant the seeds indoors a little later so there might be 3-4 leaves on them when I plant them out.
And then I keep them covered until they start shot and the frost risk is over.
I dig down cow manure and cover it with earth and then plant on top of that.
They don't like water on the stem either so I dig a ditch around or besides where I water them.
It might not show on the picture but I have covered the earth with black ground cloth, it is just so they want get dirty and then there can't grow weed. smile

This is from some years ago.
It's cucumbers and squash to the left in the picture.
I you can even se some cucumbers there.



I will try to grow Tugs Lemon cucumbers next year and see how it goes, we can buy seeds here for them.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

I have used burlap as a shade for my peppers when I bring them outside for the summer, so i can try to use that for cucumbers. I also have some plastic trellis, that my wife hates the color (why I use it in the garden) as a shade.
I also have a few other sun shades for plants, if I can keep them in place from the wind.
I have been using soaker hoses for several garden area, and if they work, they work well. The problem is the maintenance.
Soaker hoses don't seem to water evenly because as they breakdown from age, they will leak too much in some areas.

Mixing Cucumbers and Squash is not good if you are saving seeds. Which is why I have several garden areas. Also trying to fit a big garden between the trees would be hard.

I do add a cow manure compost to my gardens, but need to purchase the bags in the Fall when the stores put them on sale for 50 cents a bag. Sometimes I can find a sheep, or mushroom compost, and rare to find cotton seed hulls this far west.

My cucumbers are now in my green house, and the vines grow on the tomato cages, to the cucumbers hang down are are easer to see as they are somewhat heavy.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
Had to look up soaker hoses it seems we have them here too never heard of them before.
But where I have the allotment there is only natural water sources and no electricity, so all water has to be carried in cans.

I could set in a solar cell one with a pump they have hoses that you put small nozzles on some can be adjusted.
They can't handel frost or freezing though. sad



But I do not think it could handle the water quality and it would be easy to steal.
But on the balcony it would work with a big barrel or in the summer house.
It is smart, I think because the more sun the more water.

Some of my cucumbers don't have seeds and I have never saved seeds from cucumbers or squash they usually never gets so old and big.

/A

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Yea, I know, why would anyone want a garden hose that leaks.
Its a low water usage thing, but so is hand watering.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
Oohh a lots of guacamole. bandito
A simpler sallad I like with fish is just sliced avocado with finely slice red onion, salt and fresh lemon juice.

Are you planing on using them as plantains?



“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Yeah, the Cubans make a nice sea trout, poach or steam it, cool it down and spread a guacamole saled on top, surrounded by fresh sliced lemons all on a bed of lettuce. Very nice on a hot summer day.

We use a few green bananas as platinos. You have to get them just before they turn yellow. Cut them into 15mm disks. Deep fry a bit, take them out of the oil and squash them nearly flat, then put them back in the oil until crispy. Sprinkle with sea salt. Or you can just cut them short and boil the pieces, eat them with a spicy tomato sauce, or put a few pieces in a chicken and vegetable soup, throw some cilantro leaves on top. Or microwave, or broil them in the skins, make some holes! Remove from the skins, slice long wise, stuff with cheese and brown them a bit more.

But they are still very good just to eat normally. These bananas are firmer th an what you usually see from Central & South America and I like that. Not so squishy when ripe.

BTW, don't know if you have seen them here, but we have some potatoes that aren't much bigger than those little chilies. 30mm is a big one.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
I did have plantains "Cut them into 15mm disks. Deep fry a bit, take them out of the oil and squash them nearly flat, then put them back in the oil until crispy. " when I was in the Dominican Rep. I remember they where quite hard and didn't taste much like bananas.
There they also sad they had red bananas that are suppose to be really sweet but I never got my hands on any so I still don't know how they taste.
They can't be exported since they are so sensitive.

I did a Swedish dish named after a pilot called Flying Jacob last week, it's cooked rice with fried chicken, bacon, bananas and peanuts and you make a sweet chili sauce with cream and then you make it in the oven like a lasagne. smile

I like the ones that are firm too and the ecological grown ones actually taste more, not sure if it is the variety. ponder

Heard that the chimps at Copenhagen Zoo always peals there bananas before eating them but when they where given ecological ones they ate the whole banana peal and everything. smile

The potatoes to the left looks like Jerusalem artichokes and the ones to right is the same color that a variety I grow before called Mayan Twilight they hade really strong taste, but they where not round.





“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

I was at the market today, saw these and cooked them. They are about the tiniest I've ever seen. I just boiled then in a little water, bearly covering them, and sea salt (I collected about 5kg last month) until about half the water is boiled off and the salt crusts up on top a bit.


That sounds like someone brought that banana/chicken/peanut recipe back from Indonesia. I would eat it. I like banana and peanut butter sandwiches, but without the peels and shells..

Another sauce I like is Mexico's mole. Its also from Mayan cooking and is basically a BBQ sauce base with unsweetened chocolate, just enough for flavour, and spicy chilies. Very nice on grilled chicken. I have not made that in a long time. A plan for tomorrow!

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
I usually put a some high quality cacao powder in the chili con carne.
We had some Papas Arrugadas with mojo rojo when we where in Pourto de la Cruz. smile

Are you intending to make them lava grilled, taking them to La Palma might be the new great hit recipe, at least exclusive enough. winky smile

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

I have never been a fan of mole but then again I have never made my own. Perhaps this is time to start an experiment.

Joke's on me, I recently developed a taste for Worcestershire sauce. I have been incorporating it in to everything and now there is a shortage ☹️. Last night I had beef short rib cooked 5 hours and basted in a red wine vinegar, Worcestershire, soy sauce, ketchup, onion powder, bay leaf mixture. That was spectacularly good.

This was some 3 hours in.



We bought the neighbor's house as they're moving to Iowa. Our other neighbor across the street asked us to cook a farewell dinner. Friday I'll be making a tri-tip for everybody.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
tri-tip ? meaning.
I could send you a package with Worcestershire sauce, only need your whole life history and all off your personals data to do it. smile
It really looks good.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
I did cheat a bit now when it has starting to be quite cold and today there is snow and rain, I have had them inside during the night.
7 or 8 done and a whole lot more to come. smile





I usually wash them and dry them and put them in the freezer, if I don't use them fresh, one year I got so many I dried them and made a powder.
But now I am out of Sambal Oelek, it a chopped chilis / paste some Chines variant.

They hade this starter at a Indian restaurant in town Onion Basi it's fried onion rings and you get a kind of chili marmalade with it, it is a bit hot and sweet and picante.

Do anyone have some recipe for this or even know what it is?
I think I will try to do something like that from some of the chilis.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

i have made myself a chicken vindaloo for this evening. Been sitting outside in a pot over night.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
Cooking or cooling?
I know stews get better the day after when reheating them, or was it a slow cook?

One of my friends always ordered Szechuan biff in the Chines restaurant and vindaloo when we went to the Indian one.
And every time he started off by complaining it was to dam hot. lol
I usually eat it at the end we used to share the dishes and ordered different things, but then it wasn't so hot any more, I think the taste buds had adapted somewhat and it wasn't so warm as when it came in also making it feel less hot.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Same with curry's make them and then let them sit and do there thing with in their own juices.

Then reheat with fresh rice and eat.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
Realized I had to start putting something in the earth, so I started a inventory.



Actually I bought some seeds last weekend, I got the last bag of Lemon "Apple Cucumbers" that Tug likes, we will see how it works here.



And then I tooke the earthbags inside I hade them on the balcony so they where frozen.
It was snowing that day so in the afternoon I went to the store and had to wipe the snow of the balcony to get out, then these mysterious tracks appeared.
Maybe it was a sasqua visiting. ponder


“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Planted Spinach, and leeks this weekend, and put the broccoli plants in the greenhouse.
In a few weeks I will plant potatoes. The seeds are growing stems already.
Need to plant carrots soon.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
My plan was to set some seeds yesterday, sweet peas (they are in water now) and chili and artichokes, but then my mother came by, so it wasn't done.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Set sweet peas in water? I have never done that, but maybe I should try.
I tried artichokes, but all I got was a plant, no flower.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
Well I usually have them in water (soak) for a day before planting, most of the larger and hard seeds grow more easily that way.
They say the best way of doing it with sweet peas is putting them in the ground in the autumn, I have never tried it.
They need quite "cold" temperature to grow like 16-18 C.
They can be quite tricky sometimes I have bought seeds and not even one have grown, so I always buy different sorts and from different places.
I like the long stemmed ones so I can make bouquets and take home they smell so lovely.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

I am intending to switch places between my beans and peas this year, and I might try soaking my peas this year.
Besides many of my seeds came from my garden last year. The growing in my microclimate is not the same as other places, so plants from last year that did well produced more seeds for this year (I measure, and keep the excess to eat).

I guess I will need to move my pea fences, as my beans are bush beans and don't need them. So much garden work to do.

I think the peas will work out as I should plant them the same time as potatoes, and in the same places (interplant them).

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

the soaking thing is to remove the husk and dormancy enzymes then 24-48hrs later at the right temp it then triggers the germination enzymes.

Until my grass growing exercise last year I didn't know about any of that.... but after my sister inlaw tried some of the theory's it seems to be true. She soaked and wait until the soil temp was 10 degs at 5cm down and it made a huge difference to her crops. And my grass did grow even though i screwed it up and nothing happened for 3 weeks. Hence me reading up about it.

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I have no grass, so I would not have had that experience. That said, I have tall Ponderosa pines, where I would normally have grass. The shade, and pine needles won't let grass grow (and why would I try). The area is the center of my circle drive, and to the North of it. Also lots of rocks.

But good to know.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

It's was more a seed germination comment seeds and soaking and soil temp.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

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Phhu now they are in the earth/pots, some had even got a sprout after three days, usually I try not to have them in water more then a day or so you can see when they have dubble in size, then I change the water ones or twice a day.
But even after three days some where like small stones, I planted them anyway we will see if they will sprout anyway.

If you keep them to long in the water and don't change the water they can rot, when you plant them, I guess it is because of what Alistair says.

I wouldn't change place between peas and beans.
I usually have them in the same place and when I move them I plant onions, leak, sallad or cabbage things that needs lots nitrogen which peas and beans pull down from the air and into the earth.



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I like to move things around when I am not happy about the final results.
I have found that tomatoes like being in the green house, even though it is slightly in the shade. Peppers seem to like being in the east side of my house. Celery likes the West. Onions like full sun, and the same with broccoli.
I know the beans have grown best in full sun, but I would prefer to have them with the potatoes. The beans don't grow as well with the shade the potatoes like. Which is why I want to move the beans.
I haven't found a good place for the peas yet.

The micro-climate here is really different. At about 7000 Ft above sea level, the sun is very strong, but the air stays below 100F all summer. And the wind can be quite drying.
Not exactly the best for gardening. Then again I have been reading that seeds grown at altitude might work better. But they are hard to find. So seed saving might be a thing I need to keep doing.

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Hmm interesting, I know trees of the same variety are very adapted to height over sea level and such things.

Since I live further north I know that many things grow equally as good here as in the south, some things even better.
Even though the summers are really short and usually not so warm everything over +30C 86F (is a PITA) even though it happens more often now then before.
We do have more sun hours then the south and most plants can handle both the sun and the cold and the wind as long as the rots have developed and they have been "weaned" and they get water.

And much is about finding the right variety, of course all things don't work every summer like for me I always grow corn just because it is so easy but it isn't every year there is any corns.

The thing with micro-climates is that you can change it or make it on your own, create shade or wind protection, heat accumulators and so forth.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

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Have you heard about The three sisters?
I think it comes from South America.
You plant corn and then beans or peas either long climbing ones or I guess it would work with broad beans too and then squash, cucumbers or pumpkins in the same patch.
It make a bit of an micro climate, the corn gives a bit of shade the beans or peas can climb on the corn and fertilizes the others with nitrogen and the squash, cucumbers or pumpkins covers the ground keeping the moisture longer in the earth since it is shaded by the foliage and keeps the weed away.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
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I have, but I thought the seeds were to be put in a dead fishes mouth.

I prefer doing a square foot garden style. The square foot garden book was written by an engineer. He also wrote a book on square meter garden. Likely more metric. It works out to grow more in less space. and less fertilizer, and time.



RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

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Well I had to look it up, even though I heard about it I never looked in to it.

But I don't really see one excluding the other. smile

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
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There isn't any exclusions, but somethings just work better in different ways.
I can grow onions, potatoes, and carrots very well, in a razed bed. But tomatoes like more heat, and peppers don't.
And corn just doesn't do well for me at all (maybe they also need more heat).

I tried the square foot thing with wood planters, but that has some problems (rot mainly). I started using discounted plastic decking panels, also bricks, and cedar fencing pickets. If I had the right rocks, I would try them, but I don't.

I also am trying pine needle and mulched leaves for mulches. But the pine needles don't degrade very fast, and the leaves do (if kept moist).

Just keep testing new things.

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I did put my artichoke seeds in water Thursday and there was 2 different varieties, today in one bowl three seeds where floating and in the other one.
I did remember seeing a long time ago how they sorted pine seeds in tree nurseries and they used water, so I looked it up on the net.
When soaking seeds the good seeds sink to the bottom and the dead ones float.
So now I have taken away the bad ones and put new ones in. smile

About peppers I always though they wanted to be warm?
Even if they grow well here it takes to long for them to set fruit and get red.
I have a really early one Redskin F1 that gives small thin scaled fruits and it usually works and I have them in pots so in the autumn I can take them inside they only need heat not so much sun to get red.
I would have thought you would have had them in the greenhouse?

Tomatoes too but there are so many varieties and some that do well outside in a bit colder climate like Sub-Artic-Plenty and Alaskan-Fancy.

My problem here is that I hade a lot of tomatoes when planting tomatoes on the allotment but so many grow potatoes to so all of them got infected with brown rot. sad
So the ones that gives most fruit is the ampel tomatoes I have on the balcony.



“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
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RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Peppers don't seem to like my greenhouse, but the tomatoes do. The peppers like pots, in the back porch shade.
Potatoes do grow well here, but only one crop. The season is not long enough for two crops (I even tried a second crop in pots in the greenhouse).
I like the bigger tomatoes, so I am growing a longer season type.
And I do bring my peppers in, in the winter. Same with celery, and basel.

Brown rot sounds like too much water. Likely need more sand in the soil to allow it to drain better. I also struggle to keep the soil loose, and to add compost every year. I also add leaves to the soil, when I turn it. That adds to the organic matter, and reduces the nitrogen from the fertilizer (so much fertilizer has too much nitrogen for potatoes). Then I add beans (peas this year) to supply nitrogen over time.

Too much nitrogen and you get big plants, but no produce. It is a balancing act.

My greenhouse is too small for everything I would like to do with it. But I don't want to build another.

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The damdest thing just happened I was replanting some flowers on my front balcony and had put some om my seedlings out at the back one to get them use to the outside weather, and when I came in, I saw through the balcony door, A MOUSE !! in MY plantage!!



Maybe I should put out a mousetrap. ponder





“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
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RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Or design a better mousetrap.

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Do you not think they are good enough?
Well at work they had this competition last fall on how many mice they could kill.
The preferred mousetrap was this one RAPP2.



I only have the old fashion ones.



I really don't like killing things unless it is absolutely necessary, and I have only seen that little bugger ones.

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Redesigning wheels?

Chico will nail him to the floor in 10 miliseconds or less...

A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher ... and to Boeing.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

I use the sticky traps. The ones that are really sticky and release with oil. Had our dog stuck his nose in one a few years ago. He just leaves them alone now.

I also bait them with mouse poison, just in case.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

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I am quite sure Chico will. smile
But it just seems like a lot of fuss having Alister fly him over every time a mouse needs catching. bigsmile
Not much of a cat person, and it wouldn't be fare having a cat on a 4x2m balcony just for one mouse.
There is actually a couple of cats sneaking around down on the ground level regularly, that might be why this mouse prefer to be on the second floor. ponder

But there where actually a black cat at the summerhouse last weekend it went in under the house I saw it three times, it kept its distance, but it didn't look like a wild cat, nice fur and in good shape.

Sticky traps?
Never heard of, sounds like something that would not be allowed here.
If it isn't for flies then.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

I also use (sticky) fly paper for flies in my shed. Leave it there all summer to collect flies. There are plenty of ways they get in, but they tend toward the window to try and get out.

They also make sticky traps for spiders, but are too small to catch mice.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

My cat eats fly's

When we get to the farm it won't go outside until the whole place is empty of them.

Haven't had any mice yet. I keep the place loaded with poison. Made special areas for it that are easy to get at and are safe.

The theory is they don't move in on the first visit. And the poison gets them before they come back or nest.

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I have tried poison, but the mice eat it, then hide and die. Then you have to deal with the smell until you find them.
Works in some places that are well ventilated, but not in a closed building.

I use these ultrasonic noise makers in my house, to drive them outside, or in the garage. They don't like the high pitched noise. The problem is deaf mice.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

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The problem is deaf mice. rofl2

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Or they're not deaf and just like your weird music.

A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher ... and to Boeing.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

I don't have any in my house, so that should say something about my weird music.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

(OP)
So what is your cup of tea?

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

I use these ultrasonic noise makers in my house.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

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I have a lot of flower buds on my plum tree this year smile I just hope the bumblebees will have hatched before they start blooming, right now it is just the queens that are out buzzing.

The potato's and onions are in the earth and some carrot and beetroot seeds too.
Still to early to put the seedlings out, like the "lemon" apple cucumbers and the other cucumbers, but there is something wrong with my artichokes they do not thrive as they should don't know what is wrong with them. sad

The ample tomatoes and the chili and peppers I put in there pots yesterday on the balcony but I have to watch them if there would be a night with frost, still one and half week and not even then you can be sure to be home free.

Haven't seen that mousse again so I hope my plants are safe.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
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It's past the average last frost date, so everything is outside. But the nice rain last night will give them a boost. Had my second cuttings of Lettice and spinach, so things are looking good. But it looks like the Apples and Cherries frose a few weeks ago.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

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Ohh sorry to hear, well it is a week more here before you can be fairly sure there want be any frost.
The flowers where blooming the last time i saw the tree and there was one bumblebee buzzing around pollinating them, that might be enough bigsmile all flowers don't come at ones, so there is more chances.

The potatoes are piking up, do you have early, summer and vinter varieties?

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
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Potato plants are about six or eight inch tall now, and that I believe is both the gold and purple potatoes.
I like the flavor of the gold potato best, but I grow the purple for the color.
I planted peas with the potatoes, and the beans with the tomatoes in the green house, and both are doing better than last year, so far. The beans seem to be out growing the tomato plants so far. But as I said I have also completed the second cutting of the lettice, and spinach, which are also in the green house.
I have not seen the cucumbers yet, in the green house, but it just might be the seeds I used (some left over, and some from one of the cuc's from last year.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

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Last autumn I found some potatoes in my patch that I hadn't planted myself, really dark red peel and all red inside ponder have no idea where they came from, either some one dropped them passing by two years ago or some rodent have stolen them and buried them in my patch and forgot about them, anyway they where really good so I saved some that I planted now.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

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(OP)
It seems my allotment is in Nottingham bigsmile I think I am more of a Sherwood forest person. winky smile



About the portatos they are coming along, the ones that "just turned" up the red ones they are the ones to the left.
It is four different kinds or actually five but the old almond portatos that are typical for the north of Sweden haven't come up yet I just planted them last weekend, I stol some from my mother when she made me some lunch, they are what we call winter portatos easy to keep over winter in cold and dark place.



And here are Tugs recommended lemon cucumbers or as they are called here Appel cucumbers "Lemon" I hope there will be fruit on them, just so I can se if they are as delicious as he says.

There are some ordinary cumbers, mini and friland too, I didn't put in any etiketts so I will se which ones have grown.



“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
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RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

etiketts? I think several of us don't know what these are.

I know I started my potatoes before you did, but some of mine I am seeing flowers (maybe I can harvest some seeds).
The thing is the peas seem to be happy with the potatoes, and the beans are happy in the green house (glad I switched them).

It's very dry here, now, but the soaker hoses are working for the most part.

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etiketts? Sorry mean name tags. smile



Yes if there comes fruits on the potatoes you can take seeds, but at least my variety's seldom gets fruits not sure why.
But every seed will give you a unik potato, so if you find one you like, maybe you will have your own variety "Cranky's delight". bigsmile

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I am only growing two types of potatoes, so not much of a chance of crossing different varieties. Maybe one a little better suited to the climate. What would you get if we crossed gold and purple potatoes? Doesn't matter, as long as it tastes good.

I prefer the plastic tags that you wright on with pencil. The names seem to last that way. The metal tags, and marker pens, don't. I had purchased some metal etched (or cutout) tags, but after several years they are rusting. I will still use them, but I may need to do something to repaint them.

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Quote:

What would you get if we crossed gold and purple potatoes?
Well as I sade if they cross bread you can get all kinds of colors, consistencies or shapes, from one fruit.
But it could be fun I have never tried it.

Quote:

Doesn't matter, as long as it tastes good.
True.

Well I use a permanent marker pen the some type I use at work for electrical tags, but then you need to reuse them, I usually cut the plastic tags in have making them half as thin, that way I get twice as many. smile

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I just wash off the tags (to get the dirt off) and save them for next year. I have to toss a few every year, but they don't cost much. I would prefer a different type, but they just don't seem to last. I have tried wood sticks, and that did not work out well. But I do use wood sticks, not as tags, but markers of where each potato was planted. When I remove the plastic trellis from the bed top (I use to keep the mulch from blowing in the wind) the wood sticks mark the plant location. Very important in the fall as the tops being dead, I would have removed them.
I use shredded leaves as a mulch, as it is cheap and decomposes in the soil. The trellis I purchased at HomeDepot from the 70% off bin. The thing is I need to wait to harvest the potatoes until the companion plants are done. Usually after the first fall frost.
The trellis also helps to keep the soil moist, as it blocks the sun.
I would not want to use a wood trellis, as those are of treated wood. So the plastic works well.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

Our lemon cucumbers are just starting to fruit. They'll be ready to pick within 2 weeks. I imagine yours will be slightly behind due to your latitude. They start producing buds when the plant is about 2 feet across.

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It is just this week they are almost certainly safe from the frost, I did plant them rather late indoors, I have found that if they get to large before you plant them out the risk is that wind and sun dehydrate them to fast since the rotsystem have not had the time to develop after replanting them outside.
When the rotsystem is back in business it usually goes quit quickly especially since it is light almost 24 hours now.
I gave them much cow and chicken manure.
Maybe if I am lucky there will be fruit end of July. ponder

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I saw my neighbors garden yesterday, and my wife asked me why my garden does not look as nice hs hers. My answer simply was, she spent more on the garden then it will ever produce. Mine was built low budget for economical reasons.
Then again, I have more plants, and have had three cuttings of lettuce, and spinach, and she has had none.
But maybe I do need to raise the side of my beds, and add more soil. Can't exactly do that without affecting the plants that are there. But I can add mulch that will compost into soil. So I'm thinking add sideboards, and adding shredded leaves to one patch at a time. Start with the onions.

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I was about to ask don't you have potato's you can harvest early?
If yours is in bloom now they are not far of for harvesting like a plant at the time with a greenhouse you should be able to have potatoes really early.

And about onions my potato onions are coming along quit nice at least the Red Sun ones, my lokal variety I think a crow or magpie chick had polled at least 10 of them out of the ground so I had to replant them. sad





I did plant beat rots and they have grow but my carrot seed I haven't seen any of them yet..

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I don't have my potatoes in a greenhouse. They are outside. My greenhouse is only 8 feet by 6 feet (244cm X 182cm), so I only grow there what makes since (sorry for the odd conversion, my calculator only converts in-cm).
Besides, the greenhouse gets too hot for some plants, and they don't grow well there. But tomatoes and cucumbers, do better there. The only reason I grow spinach and lettuce there is so I can get an early start. But as I am finding, beans are doing well in the greenhouse.
I tried peppers in the greenhouse several years ago, and they did not do well. Apparently they like the back porch.
I tried potatoes in large pots and in grow bags, but in raised beds they do much better.
I do have carrots, at about two or three inches tall (7.5 cm).
The onions, I also have in raised beds (maybe not tall enough), that are producing flowers.

RE: Growing things as a hobby and the tiniest potatoes ever..

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I don't have a green house but some years I toke four potatoes a early variant, and around the 24 of mars I planted them in 2 liter plastic pots, they need 2,5-3 month to give a harvest.
Then I hade them inside, potatoes just need like +8 C in the earth to grow.
Then when it started getting warmer outside I put them on the balcony but eventually when the earth was warm enough i replanted them outside under a non-woven fabric just because of the frost but then I hade potatoes for midsummer. smile
Which is tomorrow by the way.
But one plant gave 20 potatoes. bigsmile
After harvesting them you could plant sallad or radishes or some other fast growing green in that place.
You could have potatoes really early like that.
Do you store your potatoes over winter?

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I store the seed potatoes in a basement room, that is more of a storage room. It is normally cold, and dark (it has no windows). The room would normally be wasted as it can't be a bedroom as it has no fire exit.
And by spring I have the eyes grown to some length.
In the spring, I use an auger on my drill to make a hole in the prepared beds.
By preparing the bads during the Winter, it gives me more time in the Spring for other planting.
It also gives some time for the mulch to decompose, and give additional stuff to the soil.
The problem is most purchased fertilizer is high in nitrogen, and potatoes don't need that much nitrogen. But some of the nitrogen is consumed in decomposing the mulch.
I tried potatoes in fabric bags, but the product was small potatoes. I wanted bigger potatoes.
I have lettuce in trays, that are not real deep, and that works. It allows me to start them inside a few weeks early, or bring them inside for a few more weeks of produce.

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Speaking of growing things, we've got a Pineapple growing in a pot in our backyard. About a year and half ago, my wife 'planted' the 'top' that we had cut-off a Pineapple that we bought at the store. It took awhile but eventually it started to grow. We've kept it watered and it's where it gets good Sun most of the day. When we were in Hawaii a few years ago, we visited a Pineapple plantation and they explained how they planted and grew pineapples. They told us that it takes about two years before the first pineapple appears but the it will be small, although very sweet, but that the second pineapple will be the full sized one that would eventually get harvested.

Anyway, this is what it looked like the other day:


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This first one should grow to about three times its current size.

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