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Some pretty serious looking issues here.
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There's an earlier thread (by six minutes) on this topic:
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Also, that's a weird looking failure. It's not what I would picture for a tension failure, but it doesn't look like anything else I can think of. I can't say I've even seen a photo of a tension failure at that scale, so maybe it's just too big for the things you would expect to see. Or maybe it was brittle. It's also kind of surprising that it didn't happen at the connection zone chocked full of holes half a member depth away.
Is that what a progressive fatigue fracture looks like on a tension member?
Is that what a progressive fatigue fracture looks like on a tension member?
Tied arch bridge. When the tie fractured, it didn't go far, so the bridge compensated by taking the load on that side in truss action. I am not a bridge engineer, but to me, that looks like the desirable redundant type design often talked about.
Yes, that does not look like a typical tension failure of a ductile material. Could it possibly be the result of very low temperatures during the winter?
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I think it may have to do with the earthquake damage mitigation changes that put high alternating loads into those members via friction pads rather than the typical rocker arrangements. That was 20 years ago, so 5000-7000 fully reversing cycles found a weak spot. It was last inspected about 2 years ago, so that's up to 700 cycles; if the fracture started on the inside at a weld defect it could have gone this distance since then.
There are other longitudinal members than the one that fractured. The structure along the sides seems to be intended to distribute any uneven loads to multiple cables and to stiffen the overall bridge deck to prevent unwanted deformations. The bottom chord is not the only one resisting the thrust load from the arch.
There are other longitudinal members than the one that fractured. The structure along the sides seems to be intended to distribute any uneven loads to multiple cables and to stiffen the overall bridge deck to prevent unwanted deformations. The bottom chord is not the only one resisting the thrust load from the arch.
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EDIT: Scratch my comments below. I, like others was assuming the deck was a truss it isn't. You can see quite clearly from google street view:
It seems that the 'beam' in question is a strut in the lateral restraint system.
From what I can see the truss failed at a spot that is likely under compression due to the hogging close to the tie support. Load was likely redistributed to other sections of the truss and more tension on the deck.
Cause of failure likely corrosion/fatigue but certainly outside my area of expertise.
It seems that the 'beam' in question is a strut in the lateral restraint system.
I don't think that area is tension I believe it would be compression from hogging about the supporting tie.TLHC said:
Did the tie fracture? I didn't hear or see about this detail.hokie66 said:
From what I can see the truss failed at a spot that is likely under compression due to the hogging close to the tie support. Load was likely redistributed to other sections of the truss and more tension on the deck.
Cause of failure likely corrosion/fatigue but certainly outside my area of expertise.
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The purpose of the tie is to keep the arch from kicking out. The broken tie could be affecting the stability of the foundations.
JohnRBaker
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I guess they would need to 'jack' it back in place so that sides of the box beam line-up, and then weld some scab plates all around. Granted, it would only be a temporary repair, but it should be good enough to get by until they decide how they're going to proceed overall.
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-'Product Evangelist'
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Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-'Product Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
If that is the arch tie that was severed, I think you need to find out where that force went before you can propose a 'fix'. Is that tension force now going through the deck? Or lateral bracing system? Can the foundations handle any new longitudinal forces/deflections from the sudden thrust? So much we don't know and we're all making our best guesses from some online photos. But my gut is telling me this isn't going to be a quick fix by any sense.
epoxybot, that picture jibes better with this description I read of the crack here:
Maybe that helps people here hypothesize about the failure mechanism.
Maybe that helps people here hypothesize about the failure mechanism.
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