Creep Deflections of Composite Girders
Creep Deflections of Composite Girders
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Good Morning,
I am working on a job with very sensitive deflection criteria for sustained loading. This is a steel building and we are using composite girders. It hit me the other day that using composite girders would open us up to long term creep deflections, not just for the SDL (which is being installed after the glazing; the reason for these tight criteria), but also for the self weight of the structure.
I looked online for guidance on estimating creep deflections of composite girders, but found very vague guidelines, like "estimate 15% additional deflection". With such tight criteria, I am hoping to find some more established guidance.
It is unfortunately not an option to avoid using composite girders alltogether; there are also very tight criteria for deflections due to transient loads, and depth limitations that mean we cannot give up the contribution from composite action here.
If you have any resources / references or have come accross this problem in the past, I would appreciate any input hugely.
Thank-you so much in advance.
I am working on a job with very sensitive deflection criteria for sustained loading. This is a steel building and we are using composite girders. It hit me the other day that using composite girders would open us up to long term creep deflections, not just for the SDL (which is being installed after the glazing; the reason for these tight criteria), but also for the self weight of the structure.
I looked online for guidance on estimating creep deflections of composite girders, but found very vague guidelines, like "estimate 15% additional deflection". With such tight criteria, I am hoping to find some more established guidance.
It is unfortunately not an option to avoid using composite girders alltogether; there are also very tight criteria for deflections due to transient loads, and depth limitations that mean we cannot give up the contribution from composite action here.
If you have any resources / references or have come accross this problem in the past, I would appreciate any input hugely.
Thank-you so much in advance.
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RE: Creep Deflections of Composite Girders
The reference that looks the most useful to me (though I haven't read it) is:
D15: IM Viest, RS Fountain, RC Singleton, "Composite Construction in Steel and Concrete for Bridge and Buildings" McGraw-Hill New York 1958.
I believe it gives some simplified methods for estimating long term deflection in a composite beam. And, compares them to more complex methods. It's sort of summarized in the book I have, but I don't think it's fully treated. At least not to my satisfaction.
My general thoughts if Long Term Deflection is a major concern:
1) Don't use light weight concrete which tends to have more creep / shrinkage issues. At least not without being very explicit about the need to avoid creep with guy who's designing the concrete mix.
2) You can increase the amount of reinforcement in the slab. Not only does this reduce deflection (even if you're not counting on it), it also helps create some continuity / restraint between beams. So, the beam would start to act as more like a fixed and less like a pinned support at interior ends of the beam. Again, not something you generally count on, but something to think about.
3) Obviously, try to camber out the self weight deflection. Then, if possible, wait a little longer to apply the cladding, so that the beam is fully set.
RE: Creep Deflections of Composite Girders
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RE: Creep Deflections of Composite Girders
Edit: this assumes the formwork is supported by the steel beams so the beams carry the wet concrete.
It's a fair jump in design effort to do properly and take account of potential variation in the concrete parameters. How close are you to your limits? If you give some details of geometry, concrete properties and load, I can give you my estimate fairly quickly.