## Simplify 2D/Shell Mesh

## Simplify 2D/Shell Mesh

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All,

I was looking at some techniques to simplify Shell mesh structures.

As an example, I have a door edge with a bolted brace as shown. The brace is 0.25" while the steel structure is 10 gauge steel.

Can this be simplified to a 2D mesh with two separate mid surfaces

OR

A single shell mesh with split surface and different plate thickness?

Thank you!

I was looking at some techniques to simplify Shell mesh structures.

As an example, I have a door edge with a bolted brace as shown. The brace is 0.25" while the steel structure is 10 gauge steel.

Can this be simplified to a 2D mesh with two separate mid surfaces

OR

A single shell mesh with split surface and different plate thickness?

Thank you!

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looks like we're going to have to make a deposit at the element bank ... someone's made a large withdrawal ...

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Affirmative. However, some of the consultants work involves extensive use of method 2.

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on the RH view the low stresses in the dblr are hiding the higher stresses in the panel (under the strap) ... not sure why there's a local spike and the corner of the strap (which should be unconnected to the plate).

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Do not model the fastener holes. Too complicated and just gives rubbish stress peaks at the holes.

Modelling as smeared plates ignores the fasteners flexibility and over predicts load into the doubler.

Best is to create two separate layers of shell elements without any holes, then connect with fastener elements at the fastener locations.

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- Check the fasteners by hand

SW how would you propose to connect the plates if you didn’t include the holes?“Any idiot can build a bridge that stands, but it takes an engineer to build a bridge that barely stands.”

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I agree modelling the holes is "overkill" but in this case consistent with the mesh density shown (which I feel is overkill). But modelling holes is easy these days.

The depth of analysis depends on your focus. If you're analyzing the wall or the building then you're going to spend less time and attention on this detail, and I might not model the dblr at all, and maybe include it in hand calcs if I needed to. If you're analyzing this strap then you go into this type of detail modelling and determining fastener loads would be important to you.

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The LH pic is a pad up (merge the brkt into the plate) ? which would explain the spikes.

The RH pic shows the strap on top of the plate ? view the plate under the strap (the plate stresses will be higher).

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This is a picture of the plate and L-brace together, yes?

try plotting just the plate elements.

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it seems to understand the perimeter of the L-strap, much more than I'd've thought ?

it seem "odd" that there is a very mild stress peak near the fasteners, and this is wiped out under the strap, and then another stress peak in the plate ?

I'd've expected a stress peak from the fasteners radiating out from under the plate,

I would not have expected a stress peak in the plate at the perimeter of the L-strap,

I would have expected more of a stress peak at the corner, with such a tight radius.

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L-brace = 0.25", Plate = 0.179"

Pressure on plate rear = 1 psi (rectangular air plenum)

Bolts = A307,GradeA,3/8"-16, with 2092 lb preload, modeled as CBUSH

Contact = separation, contact element activation distance = 0.275"

Brace Front:

Plate Rear:

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Still surprisingly small stress peak in the corner.

I wonder if this L-brace is actually helping ?

This is just a flat plate with pressure applied ? I wonder why no stiffening flange around the cut-out ?

"is there no way out ?" ... if you want the right answer, or "truth", then no; truth requires the most complicated analysis possible. If you want "near enough" then I'd suggest ignoring the L-brace (presumably conservative), there may be other practice reasons for adding it, not related to reducing stress level.

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another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?