Calculating Valve size with accumulator
Calculating Valve size with accumulator
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Hey everyone, Hope you're all doing well.
So I have been trying to wrap my head around this and seem to be stuck at this point, I am trying to determine what size hydraulic valve I need to incorporate into my system, the valve is intended to be a vent to open slip in logic valve, It will supply flow pushing a cylinder with a weight attached in order to accelerate the weight to a specific velocity. The accumulator will step in as the prime mover due to the short time of the cycle the pump will only supply a small amount of flow.
This is the data I have.
Final velocity needed of actuator
Surface area of piston
volume of blind and rod end (these are equal because the cylinder is double rod)
Minimum force to accelerate in given time/ distance ( this number can be flexible)
Supply pressure
Accumulator volume and precharge
Pump Flow constant
approximate flow from accumulator per 100 psi drop
fluid gravity
fluid temperature
So I have read about finding the "Cv" or flow coefficient however i am not sure how to apply it. I know that as my valve opens the pressure supplied via accumulator will drop this will in turn change the Cv no? furthermore, I don't fully understand how to calculate the demand from the actuator, I know how many gallons per minute it will require to accomplish the stroke I don't know how that will effect pressure or how to calculate a pressure drop. It seems like I will have to find a "median" point and go over/under IE size the valve for an average acceleration to meet my final velocity goal.
So I have been trying to wrap my head around this and seem to be stuck at this point, I am trying to determine what size hydraulic valve I need to incorporate into my system, the valve is intended to be a vent to open slip in logic valve, It will supply flow pushing a cylinder with a weight attached in order to accelerate the weight to a specific velocity. The accumulator will step in as the prime mover due to the short time of the cycle the pump will only supply a small amount of flow.
This is the data I have.
Final velocity needed of actuator
Surface area of piston
volume of blind and rod end (these are equal because the cylinder is double rod)
Minimum force to accelerate in given time/ distance ( this number can be flexible)
Supply pressure
Accumulator volume and precharge
Pump Flow constant
approximate flow from accumulator per 100 psi drop
fluid gravity
fluid temperature
So I have read about finding the "Cv" or flow coefficient however i am not sure how to apply it. I know that as my valve opens the pressure supplied via accumulator will drop this will in turn change the Cv no? furthermore, I don't fully understand how to calculate the demand from the actuator, I know how many gallons per minute it will require to accomplish the stroke I don't know how that will effect pressure or how to calculate a pressure drop. It seems like I will have to find a "median" point and go over/under IE size the valve for an average acceleration to meet my final velocity goal.
RE: Calculating Valve size with accumulator
I have a program that I use for sizing hydraulic servo systems.
https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=468941
Peter Nachtwey
Delta Computer Systems
http://www.deltamotion.com
http://forum.deltamotion.com/
IFPE Hall of Fame Member
RE: Calculating Valve size with accumulator
RE: Calculating Valve size with accumulator
We don't have the program web based yet and it would be foolish to let it out in the wild without compensation.
You need to read the H&P articles. Search for my name.
Peter Nachtwey
Delta Computer Systems
http://www.deltamotion.com
http://forum.deltamotion.com/
IFPE Hall of Fame Member
RE: Calculating Valve size with accumulator
RE: Calculating Valve size with accumulator
I agree though. A few engineers with my software could size all the hydraulic servo systems in North America easily.
Peter Nachtwey
Delta Computer Systems
http://www.deltamotion.com
http://forum.deltamotion.com/
IFPE Hall of Fame Member
RE: Calculating Valve size with accumulator
For this you are probably best using an accumulator which only uses 10-15% of its capacity per iteration before being refilled. Then the pressure should stay more or less constant.
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RE: Calculating Valve size with accumulator
The valve will turn on and off very quickly I am thinking I may have to accelerate the cylinder much faster than the straight on paper calculation at first and as the pressure drops it will fall below that calculation as well and the average number will be the target.