Microstrip antennas vs simulation
Microstrip antennas vs simulation
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Hi all,
I used the article "Design of rectangular Microstrip Patch antennas for the 2.4 Ghz band" to design my own antenna, but as I don't have a lab at disposition to test this antenna, I desided to make a simulation of the antenna model from the paper and then to simulate "my own antenna"...
1) Using the formulas given in the article, I found a different result for the patch dimention : 38,6 mm instead of 36.84 mm given...
2)I simulate the original patch (36.84 mm) using EMPiCASSO ( http://www.empicasso.com/ )but found different results...
3)Even the corrected patch gives differents results once simulated with EMPiCASSO...
4) http://wes.feec.vutbr.cz/~raida/multimedia_en/ - TIP!! Go to visit this site I used to get more info...
I'd like to know if someone had the same experience and if there is some explainations for this !!??
Can I trust in the article or in the simulation ?
Can someone help ?
I used the article "Design of rectangular Microstrip Patch antennas for the 2.4 Ghz band" to design my own antenna, but as I don't have a lab at disposition to test this antenna, I desided to make a simulation of the antenna model from the paper and then to simulate "my own antenna"...
1) Using the formulas given in the article, I found a different result for the patch dimention : 38,6 mm instead of 36.84 mm given...
2)I simulate the original patch (36.84 mm) using EMPiCASSO ( http://www.empicasso.com/ )but found different results...
3)Even the corrected patch gives differents results once simulated with EMPiCASSO...
4) http://wes.feec.vutbr.cz/~raida/multimedia_en/ - TIP!! Go to visit this site I used to get more info...
I'd like to know if someone had the same experience and if there is some explainations for this !!??
Can I trust in the article or in the simulation ?
Can someone help ?
RE: Microstrip antennas vs simulation
RE: Microstrip antennas vs simulation
I already contacted EMPiCASSO's technical support to try to get some explainations, I sent my file... but it seemed that my simulation was correct...
So I did the calculation again with a Mathlab Program and found a mistake in the paper !!
=> The last formula (page 28) that gives L=(c/(2*f0*sqrt(Eps_eff))-2*deltaL... the autor calculate L'=L-2*deltaL, I mean that he took the initial value (40.1 mm)instead of 41.82 mm if you calculate with Eps_eff instead of Epsr !!
Is that correct ??
Now I've another few questions... I have no laboratory here to perform experiments on my design so I must to calculate and simulate until to get a good result.
1) How can I be sure to get accurates results by simulation without to test all the time ?
2) Can someone gives me some idea of some paint or material I can use as "superstrate" (on the microstrip patch) to improve radiations carracteristics ?
Thanks,
Thomas K.
http://www.genius.org.br
http://www.thomask.fr.st
RE: Microstrip antennas vs simulation
So I did the calculation again with a Mathlab Program and found a mistake in the paper !!
///Please, in which paper?\\\
=> The last formula (page 28) that gives L=(c/(2*f0*sqrt(Eps_eff))-2*deltaL... the autor calculate L'=L-2*deltaL, I mean that he took the initial value (40.1 mm)instead of 41.82 mm if you calculate with Eps_eff instead of Epsr !!
Is that correct ??
Now I've another few questions... I have no laboratory here to perform experiments on my design so I must to calculate and simulate until to get a good result.
1) How can I be sure to get accurates results by simulation without to test all the time ?
///Tests are needed. The tests can be omitted in well know or simple simulations.\\\
2) Can someone gives me some idea of some paint or material I can use as "superstrate" (on the microstrip patch) to improve radiations carracteristics ?
///Visit
http://nr.stic.gov.tw/ejournal/ProceedingA/v23n5/609-611.pdf
http://ndl.ee.ucr.edu/adam.pdf
etc. for more info\\\
RE: Microstrip antennas vs simulation
So I did the calculation again with a Mathlab Program and found a mistake in the paper !!
///Please, in which paper?\\\
I'm Talking about the article "Design of Rectangular Microstrip Patch Antennas for the 2.4 Ghz Band " Ammann, Max ... First part (probe feed), for the calculation of L.
Please tell me if I'm right or wrong !
Thomas K.
http://www.genius.org.br
http://www.thomask.fr.st
RE: Microstrip antennas vs simulation
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I HAVE MANY QUESTION ABOUT DESIGN RECTANGULAR MICROSTRIP ANTENNA.
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RE: Microstrip antennas vs simulation
Jbartos,
I already contacted EMPiCASSO's technical support to try to get some explainations, I sent my file... but it seemed that my simulation was correct...
So I did the calculation again with a Mathlab Program and found a mistake in the paper !!
=> The last formula (page 28) that gives L=(c/(2*f0*sqrt(Eps_eff))-2*deltaL... the autor calculate L'=L-2*deltaL, I mean that he took the initial value (40.1 mm)instead of 41.82 mm if you calculate with Eps_eff instead of Epsr !!
///Yes, you are right. The author used Epsr = 2.33 instead of Eps_eff=2.141 that would lead to 38.58 instead of 36.849~36.85 indicated by the author.\\\
Is that correct ??
///Yes, you are correct.\\\