Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
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I've got an o ring that seals the oil pickup filter in an automatic transmission (ZF 4HP22). I contacted ZF, but so far no reply and I'm in a hurry to get the car back onto the road.
The O ring that came from the car is obviously not elastic anymore (24 yrs old most likely, as old as the car).
I can buy those from a nearby automotive shop, that sells them per piece and they have an enourmous range of dimensions and materials.
The o ring goes over an locator extrusion on the filter side, about 2-3 mm high (external dimension 39.30 mm diameter), and when in position, into a recess with internal diameter 42.75 mm
Current thickness of the o ring is 2.2 mm.
How do I choose the correct dimension?
As for the material, I guess with NBR shore 70, I can't do much wrong (is resistant against hydraulic oils like Dexron III, which I am using), and is very common. Please correct me if this is not a good choice.
The O ring that came from the car is obviously not elastic anymore (24 yrs old most likely, as old as the car).
I can buy those from a nearby automotive shop, that sells them per piece and they have an enourmous range of dimensions and materials.
The o ring goes over an locator extrusion on the filter side, about 2-3 mm high (external dimension 39.30 mm diameter), and when in position, into a recess with internal diameter 42.75 mm
Current thickness of the o ring is 2.2 mm.
How do I choose the correct dimension?
As for the material, I guess with NBR shore 70, I can't do much wrong (is resistant against hydraulic oils like Dexron III, which I am using), and is very common. Please correct me if this is not a good choice.
RE: Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
TTFN (ta ta for now)
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RE: Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
I was hoping for someone to tell me that for instance a 3-5% stretch of the inside diamater would be OK (?), en how to determine the needed cross section.
RE: Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
http://solutions.parker.com/ORingSelector
https://www.parker.com/literature/Praedifa/Catalog...
and then go to harbor freight (if Buna is OK) and get the $8-10 O ring kit there. Otherwise, for other materials order from mcmaster carr and you'll have tomorrow or the next day most likely.
Edit, oh, I see, good supply at the shop.
RE: Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_4HP22_transmissio...
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In reality there are only a few specific cross section sizes. Though you need to know if this is metric, imperial, Japanese, or some other standard.
If metric a 2.4x37.6 sounds likely, though it could be a 2x37.6.
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RE: Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
RE: Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
Also, there is no old guy there, just a pimple face that hands you your order. I really haven't got any luck, the "good" parts store I always go to is closed until further notice.
@ Ed, I called, they have diameter 37.0; 37.21; 34.42; 37.5; 37.6; 37.77; 37.80; ... in cross section diameters every tenth mm...
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RE: Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
'Our o rings do not leak' he asserted.
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I will wait for the original manufacturer to get back to me and report back.
RE: Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
TTFN (ta ta for now)
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RE: Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
This gets me to a 37.5-38.0 X 2.2-2.8 O ring. Seeing as those cost <1$; I'll slap on one of these (38 x 2.5) until the OEM gets back to me.
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The Help for this program was created in Windows Help format, which depends on a feature that isn't included in this version of Windows.
RE: Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
When selecting automotive o-rings the flavor options are typically:
NBR - low temperature air, water, and oil applications. These should be avoided at all costs as they will have a very short life at normal engine temperatures (especially in water). They also deteriorate in sunlight.
HNBR - good all purpose material. This works for high temp oil and is generally acceptable for water. It's also used for refrigerant.
Silicone - Good for high temp water and air but is highly permeable and will seep oil. It has poor mechanical properties as well.
EPDM - the best choice for most water and brake fluid applications. It's highly sensitive to damage from contact with oil.
Viton/FKM - the most expensive choice. The best choice for oil and fuel at all temperatures but does not perform as well as EPDM and HNBR for water.
Neoprene - good mechanical properties with average performance.
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I guess design is similar (few % elongation, 40% compression) ?
RE: Need replacement O ring - how to choose?
RE: Need replacement O ring - how to choose?