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# Another bridge collapse in Italy

## Another bridge collapse in Italy

### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

Loud noises reported after a storm last Nov?
With so many things shut down now just think of all of the inspections that could be done.
And it isn't like it requires large groups of people.

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### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

And with the use of drones, it can be done while the inspectors remain socially distant from each other.

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### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

Cynical me begins to suspect the Italian bridge operators are trying to save on arguments about demolition permits and complaints about how long the span would be closed for replacement.

I bet they thought the concrete needed patching to cover the crack rather than bothering to think about how the crack got there. It's likely that visual inspections would not have been sufficient and that internal steel reinforcement had corroded to a critical condition.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/08/italian-bridge...

### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

Basically the whole of the road structure in Northern Italy is screwed. Most of it was built with significant corruption ongoing and there hasn't been a lot of money spent on it. Most of these bridges are operating at well over their original design loads. And also a lot of them are single access to main artery's between significant economic areas.

There are hundreds of bridges in similar state.

### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

A curious design though.

Looks like an arch bridge, but the arches don't seem to meet in the middle.

I wonder if this was the crack which doesn't look like an expansion section.
I went across the bridge on streetview and couldn't really see evidence of expansion joints.

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### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

LittleInch
I see several of those cracked out areas. They seem to be relatively evenly spaced and one at each end of the bridge. I would surmise that they are expansion joints that have been paved over. Also the concrete along the sides of the road seems to be heavily patched. As with the Morandi bridge this one seems to be pretty dilapidated. It would be interesting to see what lurks underneath.

It's all okay as long as it's okay.

### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

pretty much every bridge in Italy is in the same state.

### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

The bloody thing was 112 years old!!

Looks like the cantilevered walkways were a later addition which makes it difficult to see the arch. Would be interesting to know where this crack was.

The Google photo shows traffic queuing on one side sure to the junction layout on one side. That's never great for a bridge


https://www.news1.news/a/2020/04/collapsed-bridge-...

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### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

I'd say scour is a good candidate. You have an old bridge built with shallow piers, before the risk was recognized. There is a wide riverbed where high speed seasonal flow can concentrate around the piers and there are plenty of abrasives for the flow to carry.

In this photo you can see that multiple piers are broken off at the base. The break occurs between what looks like the base of the original piers and the top of a casting of retrofit concrete. I'd guess the casting was added after most of the damage was already done and the piles finally gave up.

Either eng-tips or my browser are acting up so I can't seem to insert inline photos using the Image function.

### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

The simulation seems to imply the initial failure was a shearing failure through the bottom of the arch directly adjacent to the lower base piers.

### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

Yes, I saw that as well. Did they say what input was used in the simulation program in terms of determining the point of initial failure? Was the simulation merely the animation of what was observed or was is the result of an actual analytical run predicting what the failure would look like?

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### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

The video description says that it is a simulation referencing online images and videos posted after the collapse, and that it assumes the failure location. Unfortunately, the images and videos used are not sourced.

### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

I think it was done to match the result after the collapse. The first pier is the only one not to move, however it is also the only one which is piled.

Now turns out the original bridge was partly destroyed int he war and the whole superstructure re-built in about 1950, which is why it doesn't look like the original. Or at least some parts were rebuilt...
Posted before the one above was posted...

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### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

I still wonder as well if the bridge was widened at some point. If you look at this photo you can see what looks like the "original" concrete deck and the extension. Seems as if they laid another deck onto of the old one and filled in the middle to create the roadway??

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### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

One of the comments on the video:

"i live near that bridge, i'm lucky because i drove over it almost daily and also often rode my horse both over it and on the riverside trail passing under it, luckily it happened during lockdown, many people were afraid of that bridge because it vibrated and shaked a lot, also it had a lot of weight added when it was widened"

So, it appears that it was widened.

### RE: Another bridge collapse in Italy

When you look at the street view pictures you can see that a stationary queue can easily form on the carriageway at that end of the bridge due to the T junction where it meets the road at the far end.

Extra weight from the widening, extra weight from the queuing, a main structure 70 years old built with unknown materials, a difficult to access pier int eh middle of the river - what could go wrong?

And some very strange potholes right above the vertical leg where the collapse is predicted.

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