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37 mph wind topples Trump's wall
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37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

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What more can I say!

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

The concrete had not yet cured.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Not only had it not cured, it had not hardened. I suppose some, like some of the media, will blame Trump for the contractor's lack of bracing.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

And if that wasn't bad enough, they have to leave open the 'flood gates' during the summer flash flood season.


(Caption from the article below) This photo from Aug. 13 shows a gate in bollard-style fencing on John Ladd's ranch along the U.S.-Mexico border. The gates remain open during the summer, with strands of barbed wire to prevent cattle from crossing the border. (Ariana Brocious/Courtesy Arizona Public Media)

In fact, in some places, the flash floods are so severe that they have to leave whole sections of the fence open with only a couple of stands of barbed-wire 'blocking' the gaps.


(Caption from the article below) Construction of the border wall outside Douglas, Ariz. Many gaps indicate where washes and other construction challenges appear along the border. (Carolyn Van Houten/The Washington Post)

Trump’s border wall, vulnerable to flash floods, needs large storm gates left open for months

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/trumps-...

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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Was Trump talking near the wall when it collapsed?

Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA, HI)


RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Such a well thoughtout plan design, seems the design team must have been asleep on the job.

It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

It didn't fall down... fake news... it was purposely laterally and rotationally displaced.

Dik

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

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would love to see if his hair stays on his head in those winds.

BTW I am Scottish we thought he was a complete and utter tosser years before he became president due to him raping the countryside for golf courses. So per say its nothing to do with him being the president or the USA when the scots turn out and yell abuse at him. Its just we have known for the last 15-20 years he is a complete an utter arse.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

The reason he doesn't like wind farms... they screwed up his golf course.

Dik

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

No, the wind farm did NOT screw-up his golf course. Rather, Trump has complained that the appearance of, as he calls them, 'windmills', ruined the view from his golf course and thus reduced the market value of the property. The fact that his Scottish golf courses have never actually turned a profit played NO role whatsoever, EH?

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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

They screwed it up visually...

dik

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

And this impacts the quality of play how? Besides, the 11 turbines are located offshore from the harbor at Aberdeen, which is nearly 10 miles South of Trump's Scottish golf course at Menie. Granted, these wind turbines are some of the largest in the world (over 500 ft dia), but they are still more than nine miles from the golf course.

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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Facts have no place in this argument!

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

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You folks really don’t know brilliance when you see it, do you? For shame!

Quote (A very stable genius)

We’ll have an economy based on wind. I never understood wind. You know, I know windmills very much. I’ve studied it better than anybody. I know it’s very expensive. They’re made in China and Germany mostly — very few made here, almost none. But they’re manufactured tremendous — if you’re into this — tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything. You talk about the carbon footprint — fumes are spewing into the air. Right? Spewing. Whether it’s in China, Germany, it’s going into the air. It’s our air, their air, everything — right? So they make these things and then they put them up.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Brilliance has nothing to do with it. What "you folks" don't understand is hyperbole.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Is THAT what it's called spin2

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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

From a WaPo report that he's obligated to pay $290,000/£225,000 to Scotland for his legal loss:

Quote (WaPo)

President Trump has a long-standing disdain for wind power that has carried over into his political speeches. Trump has said windmills cause cancer, kill birds and prevent people from watching television when the wind is not blowing.

The 11-turbine wind farm in Aberdeen Bay began operating last summer and is clearly visible from the fairways and greens of the Trump International Golf Links, Scotland, outside the northeastern city of Aberdeen.

During the planning process for the wind farm, the Trump Organization sued the Scottish government to block it.

Quote (The Guardian)

The company has recently admitted the resort was never developed along Trump’s original plans because of the global recession in 2008 and the collapse in oil prices in 2014.

What we do know is that the over 1000 foot long tunnel that perhaps Mexicans (more likely Colombians) did pay for was not blown over by wind.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Didn't Joaquin Guzman use a tunnel to escape from jail? Supposedly, it's all pretty sophisticated, using theodolites to survey and maintain direction and straightness of the tunnels.

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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

That course was closed in 2015, after they started building the fence in 2009. Not Trump's wall in that case.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Hokie: "What "you folks" don't understand is hyperbole."

What does an unusually active tree have to do with it? Curious mimes want to know.

Dik

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

dik,
Are you typing on your cell phone again? I can't make heads or tails of your question, or why mimes are involved.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Trump overheard saying, "Don't confuse me with the facts!"

Good Luck,
Latexman

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Hokie: " I can't make heads or tails of your question, or why mimes are involved."

It had to do with the definitions of hyper and bole. Mac, got it...

Dik[bigsmile]

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

First we built a wall on the border, now we're miming it? Yikes.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

I'm waiting for the next headline:
THIS JUST IN.
THERE ARE REPORTS THAT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE FLOODING THROUGH THE WALL
THEY ARE ENTERING TROUGH OPENINGS INTENDED TO RELIEVE FLOODING PRESSURE

Bill
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"Why not the best?"
Jimmy Carter

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Trump's people probably told him that none of these news reports are being printed in Spanish, so we're still safe.

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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

The wall between east and west germany was porous like a sieve.

And that was 3.6 meters high solid concrete.... 500m of killing zone and towers ever 1000m with snipers in them.....

A certain country is building a 8m high wall out of solid concrete with again towers within sniping range.

That contraption wouldn't stop a pregnant cow getting into the US.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Measures taken against the growers who hire the illegals would probably be more productive.
However such measures may inhibit campaign contributions.
The construction of the wall, on the other hand, will probably develop new sources of campaign contributions.

Bill
--------------------
"Why not the best?"
Jimmy Carter

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

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Wow! Now Trump's getting blamed for substandard work by an incompetent contractor that I'm sure he's never heard of and certainly didn't hire. The desperation of some people gets more entertaining by the day.

Well, at least nobody's blaming him for Iran shooting down that Ukrainian airliner...oh wait, never mind.

Rod Smith, P.E., The artist formerly known as HotRod10

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

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Quote:

The wall between east and west germany was porous like a sieve.

I assume you're referring to the Berlin Wall (which separated East and West Berlin, not East and West Germany). It's a tad different building a wall to try to keep a captive population in vs. trying to keep usurpers out. In Berlin, someone trying to escape the communists would have to get by the soldiers ready to shoot on sight, just to get to the wall, and then try climb it under fire. There was very little chance of success, and the consequences of failure were usually fatal. There's a lot more people willing to try crossing the US border, when the consequences of failure are minimal (oftentimes more comfortable than the conditions they came from).

Rod Smith, P.E., The artist formerly known as HotRod10

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

The Wall was Trump's signature campaign promise. Literally going South. It's like we aren't in Kansas anymore.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Quote (BridgeSmith)


Now Trump's getting blamed for substandard work by an incompetent contractor that I'm sure he's never heard of and certainly didn't hire.

Well, he very well might have heard of them:

Did the Pentagon Really Just Award a $400 Million Contract to a Guy Trump Liked on Fox News?

The Washington Post reported Monday night that the Pentagon had awarded a $400 million border wall contract to a North Dakota company named
Fisher Sand and Gravel. That contract, to build a segment of the wall across a wildlife refuge in Yuma County, Arizona, raised some eyebrows.
According to the Post:

Trump has repeatedly pushed for Fisher to get a wall-building contract, urging officials with the Army Corps of Engineers to pick the
firm—only to be told that Fisher’s bids did not meet standards. Trump’s entreaties on behalf of the company have concerned some officials
who are unaccustomed to a president getting personally involved in the intricacies of government contracting.

This isn’t the way it normally goes, but President Trump isn’t one to have his plans vetted by ethics watchdogs.
 
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/border...

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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Quote (JohnRBaker)

Pentagon had awarded a $400 million border wall contract to...
Fisher Sand and Gravel...to build a segment of the wall across a wildlife refuge in Yuma County, Arizona,

Quote (Huffpost)

A segment of President Donald Trump’s signature border wall fell in California...No one was injured in the incident at Calexico, California, about 100 miles east of San Diego.

I haven't found the name of the contractor for the damaged section, but it apparently wasn't Fisher.

Anyway, Trump was probably pushing for Fisher to get the contract for the whole job (700 miles) because they offered to contract construction of a full border protection system for 2/3 of the governments estimate of $18 billion ($400 million doesn't seem like all that much, compared to $12 or $18 billion, does it?)

Rod Smith, P.E., The artist formerly known as HotRod10

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

IRstuff, that first MarketWatch link fails.

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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

The flood openings are really cleverly disguised Guillotines. banghead

Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA, HI)


RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Well, if proximity is part of the equation:

"No one was injured in the incident at Calexico, California, about 50 miles west of Yuma."

As for my comment about Trump being aware of who the contractor was... Well, if prior behavior is any indication, who's to knows...

After all, you confirmed that for two years now, Trump has been pushing for that North Dakota company to get the contract for the entire job. Perhaps they've been getting chunks of the wall all along.

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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Surprisingly, the trees could not only support themselves but also the weight and the wind load from the panels.

Interesting to call them a new border wall instead of replacement border wall. Foxnews buried the lede.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Strong winds gusting to 30 mph?
Must be nice to live in such a nice placid climate.
We had winds here overturning semi-trailers on the highway a few days ago.

Bill
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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Quote:

Strong winds gusting to 30 mph?
Must be nice to live in such a nice placid climate.
We had winds here overturning semi-trailers on the highway a few days ago.

I hear ya. We call it a breeze until it hits at least 50mph. We get semis turned over all the time, despite the Highway Patrol's best efforts to restrict travel for light/high profile vehicles on the roads when they expect those 60 and 70 (sometimes 80) mph gusts.

Napping semis

Rod Smith, P.E., The artist formerly known as HotRod10

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

If one 50' to 100' section of the miles and miles of border wall, that happened to tilt over during construction, by a contractor that Trump has no connection with, and obviously wasn't supervising, is all you got, then you're really grasping at straws.

Did any of you guys blame Obama for this:
Federal Government Liable for Harvey Flooding

And how could we forget the infamous Cash for Clunkers Program?


Rod Smith, P.E., The artist formerly known as HotRod10

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

To speed up the wall construction we should look for the Chinese contractors that built two hospitals in 10 days. They’d have a 14 day delay, while kept in isolation, before they could start work.

gjc

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Quote:

If one 50' to 100' section of the miles and miles of border wall, that happened to tilt over during construction, by a contractor that Trump has no connection with, and obviously wasn't supervising, is all you got, then you're really grasping at straws.
Actually there is a little more than that, but it's pointless to bring it up.
The hurricane forecast by government decree was amusing.
Interference in the JEDI procurement?
Lobbying for his favorite contractor, Fisher Sand and Gravel?
Is there any record of the political contributions made by the contractor responsible for the "Blow Job"?
Still waiting for the government position as to how strong the wind really was.

Bill
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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Quote (waross)

Lobbying for his favorite contractor, Fisher Sand and Gravel?

...as opposed to all the under-the-table lobbying and bribes by other government contractors, which no one seems to care about. At least Trump's advocacy was 1) out in the open and 2) unpaid. Need I even mention the name Biden?


Rod Smith, P.E., The artist formerly known as HotRod10

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Quote (IRStuff)

SLSCO, based on Galveston TX...

I didn't see that info in the story. Did I miss it? Was it in the video? I haven't found any info on who the contractor is.

Rod Smith, P.E., The artist formerly known as HotRod10

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

And meanwhile, counting in Iowa goes on. Talk about a disaster. They couldn't run a chook raffle.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Quote:

Strong winds gusting to 30 mph?
Must be nice to live in such a nice placid climate.

When I lived 3.5 hours south of Detroit in mid-northern Indiana we often had 70+ mph gusts overturning semis, hence the lights alongside freeways requiring semis to stop when flashing for high wind events. I don't recall local infrastructure ever failing bc of the wind per-se, just the occasional power line being hit by falling trees or debris. Comically close now in Detroit, 50 mph winds regularly shut down sections of the city due to a massive number of falling lines.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

Speaking of wind, we're in the middle of another Santa Ana wind event here in SoCal, only this time it's a cold (59˚) wind. Last week's wind event brought 80+˚ temps.

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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

A few years ago I was following a semi on a very icy highway.
The wind was strong but not enough to topple trucks.
Normally when you're following a semi all you can see is the back door of the trailer.
This day, every time there was a strong gust of cross wind I could see the whole side of the trailer.
Scary

Bill
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RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

(OP)
Y’all remember the VW Bug shuffle. The early VW’s were sensitive to crosswinds and while driving across the SFO Bay Bridge, a sudden cross gust would make all the Volkswagons sidestep about two feet to the side, all in unison. Luckily they were small and the lanes wide.

RE: 37 mph wind topples Trump's wall

I was on a fun flight in a small cesna during the winter in Oklahoma. My boss ,a flight instructor on the side, flew us from Chickasaw to Wichita Falls to pick up one of his students. The student flew the plane back from Wichita to Chicksaw. We came into Chickasaw at night and the wind was blowing hard. It was kind of a rough ride back because we were lighter with not having as much fuel. So, when we get to my bosses airport, we have to crab in due to the wind being cross to the landing strip. The student approached and turned the airplane it felt like more than 45 degrees into the wind and revved up the engine to keep the plane's path straight on with the runway. Near approach, he whipped it back around just before the tires touched. He nailed it but it was a little unnerving with it being at night, him being a student, and having to crab in at such a sharp angle.

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