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CS and LTCS composition

CS and LTCS composition

CS and LTCS composition

(OP)
Dear all,
A customer is asking for a specific requirement of Silicon content on CS and LTCS materials.
Here an extract of customer's specification: "CS or ITCS shall be fully killed with a minimum Silicon content of 0.15% wt"
It sounds strange considering ASTM regulation. Please, can you help me to understand the reason of this requirement?
Many thanks for your help.

RE: CS and LTCS composition

This is not so atypical a requirement from a number of petrochemical owners. I saw it numerous times during the 1980's and early 1990's.

RE: CS and LTCS composition

A means of controlling sulphidation corrosion. See API RP 939-C.

Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant

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RE: CS and LTCS composition

(OP)
Dear,
Thank you for your feedback.
Anyway customer continues asking fon Silicon content and not Sulfur.
Can I underline him it is a mistake?
Thanks

RE: CS and LTCS composition

So you decide to join Eng-tips to ask your one question....get answers regarding sulfidation corrosion of refinery components and don't have the sense to actually look into it? I had no idea what it was either, but in five minutes on google I see exactly what they are talking about....and tend to agree with them....you are wasting peoples time.

RE: CS and LTCS composition

Quote (Totino)

can I underline him that it is a mistake

You can, naturally, attempt that course of action, but don't be surprised if it produces some irritation.

The customer is requesting the silicon content as a means of controlling sulphidation corrosion from exposure to the process environment. It is nothing to do with the sulphur content of the steel.

Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant

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RE: CS and LTCS composition

What are LTCS and ITCS?
Are folks making up acronyms again?

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

RE: CS and LTCS composition

(OP)

Quote (SJones)

The customer is requesting the silicon content as a means of controlling sulphidation corrosion from exposure to the process environment. It is nothing to do with the sulphur content of the steel.

Dear Steve,
Many thanks for your help and explanation.
We didn't understandard the reason why customer's asking for Silicon content instead of Sulphur, now it's clear.
I wish you a great day

RE: CS and LTCS composition

(OP)

Quote (david339933 )

So you decide to join Eng-tips to ask your one question....get answers regarding sulfidation corrosion of refinery components and don't have the sense to actually look into it? I had no idea what it was either, but in five minutes on google I see exactly what they are talking about....and tend to agree with them....you are wasting peoples time.

Dear,
You are not obliged to answer to my question and waste your time.
Thank you!

RE: CS and LTCS composition

Quote (ironic metallurgist)

What are LTCS and ITCS?
Are folks making up acronyms again?

Not really. LTCS, low temperature carbon steel, is a standard term in piping materials for impact tested material, typically -46 deg C, and typically ASTM A333 Gr 6 etc. "ITCS" is a bit of a new one on me - hazarding a guess at: Intermediate Temperature Carbon Steel, i.e., material designated for normal operating temperature ranges before specific low and high temperature steels are required. Perhaps, somebody would confirm the latter, or correct it.

Steve Jones
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RE: CS and LTCS composition

Thanks SJones,
Seems like 20 years of schooling and 30 years in welding and metallurgy was not enough for me ...

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

RE: CS and LTCS composition

ITCS may be a typo noting the location of I and L on the keyboard.

RE: CS and LTCS composition

ITCS is Impact Tested Carbon Steel

RE: CS and LTCS composition

PDal,
I suspect this originated with asset management consulting engineers, who are some of the worst offenders.
My theory is businesses do this to help legitimate their services and expertise.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

RE: CS and LTCS composition

Totino, welcome to our forum! You asked a very good question that has stimulated discussion and elicited information I never knew but should. Look forward to your participation.

RE: CS and LTCS composition

(OP)
Dear ones,
Thank you all for your help and collaboration!
As @PDal wrote, I confirm ITCS is the acronym of "Impact Tested Carbon Steel".
Hope to be able to discuss with you in the future!

RE: CS and LTCS composition

Why stop there?
I propose LTITCS - 'Low Temperature Impact Tested Carbon Steel'

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

RE: CS and LTCS composition

LTCS is vague but does indicate that the steel is intended for use at low temperatures. ITCS, impact tested carbon steel, doesn't really tell you much other than someone did some charpies on a test bar. If I impact test WCC at -50F and get 7 ft-lbs is that an ITCS?

Bob

RE: CS and LTCS composition

The terms " ITCS" and "LTCS" are used extensively in the LNG construction industry to easily identify multiple types of carbon steel on the project.
As an example these were materials on a recent Chevron LNG project.

Low Temperature Carbon Steel is the acronym used in the Piping Material Class Index.
The first three line classes below fall under this material type.

Impact Tested Carbon Steel
Impact Tested Carbon Steel + Nace
Impact Tested Carbon Steel + Nace + Cladding
High Yield Carbon Steel
Cement Lined Carbon Steel
PTFE Lined Carbon Steel
Carbon Steel + Alloy Cladding

Hope that helps,
Cheers,
Shane

RE: CS and LTCS composition

If the material fails, does it go LTITs up?

Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant

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RE: CS and LTCS composition

lol

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

RE: CS and LTCS composition

So, I wasted my time trying to explain the reasons for these acronyms.
Try this one.
WGASWSJT ?

RE: CS and LTCS composition

Which Gin Always Swigs Well Sans Juicy Tips

Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant

www.linkedin.com/in/drstevejones

All answers are personal opinions only and are in no way connected with any employer.

RE: CS and LTCS composition

Quote (SJones)

If the material fails, does it go LTITs up?

Is that when the Charpy impact curve inverts?

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

RE: CS and LTCS composition

We Generate Acronymns So We Start Jive Talking

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