Water level rise from pre to post

JSiteDznr · Oct 25, 2019

Hello,

I have a project proposing an addition to an existing dwelling. The addition is so big it is causing a minor increase in peak flow in the post condition compared to the pre. An increase here in New Castle County, DE means the home owner needs to build a SWM system. I expanded my drainage are as much as I can.

The reviewer said he will accept it as "no increase" If the water surface elevation in the pre does not increase in the post by more the 0.05-ft. Problem is I have no swale in the pre condition to compare my swale in the post! Lol. Is there a calculation that would allow me to check sheet flow depth at the analysis point?

Thank you!

gbam · Oct 28, 2019

One could approximate sheet flow with a single or group of cross sections then change the single or group of cross sections to reflect the additional foot print. If you cannot approximate then you would be looking at a 2-d analysis which seems way too much for this scenario; but, I am not familiar with your local criteria or regulations.

TerryScan · Oct 29, 2019

JSiteDznr,

Curious:
Does this not qualify for an Standard Plan? (Residential construction less than 1.0 acre disturbed) or an exemption? (less than 5,000 feet of disturbance)

Otherwise:
If there is no channel on site - one would probably need to establish a downstream analysis point where there is channelized flow (swale, ditch, closed drainage system). This should be a point of agreement with the reviewer at a pre-application meeting.

Ekenny_G · Dec 10, 2019

This is one of those cases where you need a parameter in the existing condition to compare with Post condition. In this case, you have post Water surface elevations (WSE) but you don't have pre WSE's to compare. You would need to identify the downstream point of analysis, preferably where there is concentrated flow leaving your site. This point of analysis should be same for both pre and post. Then assume a "pseudo" channel/swale at the analysis point for the pre and perform your flow calculations. The existing "pseudo" channel or swale may not have much of a defined channel geometry, but you need to approximate.
Explain this approach in the report and let the reviewer comment otherwise.

Twinkie · Dec 12, 2019

Can you pop a raingarden in the front or backyard and call it a day, or use some amended soils and take credit for the higher void ratio thereby meeting the pre to post rate requirements.

Ekenny_G · Dec 12, 2019

The other way is to determine the Pre and Post runoff volume. Then determine the difference. If the difference in runoff volume is less than 2%, you can include in the report that no significant downstream impact is anticipated. If the reviewer wants you to still provide SWM system, just use Rain Barrel at the downspout to capture as much roof runoff to offset the increase.

AJB1262 · Jan 3, 2020

Also look at your point of interest in your analysis. Where is this site located within the watershed? If you look at the larger basin, you may be able to demonstrate that the increase in runoff will be negligible compared to the overall basin. Does this development drain to an existing stormwater management facility downstream?

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Water level rise from pre to post

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TerryScan

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Twinkie

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