Centrifugal pumps flow limitation
Centrifugal pumps flow limitation
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Hello everyone
In our project specification we required API 610 centrifugal pumps for condensate.
having these parameters:
Flow 0.7-0.8(m3/h)
Suction pressure: 2.2 bar
Discharge pressure: 35.8 bar
The contractor claimed that there is no centrifugal pumps available on the market that can operate in these parameters, hence he proposed double diaphragm pumps.
what are your thoughts?
In our project specification we required API 610 centrifugal pumps for condensate.
having these parameters:
Flow 0.7-0.8(m3/h)
Suction pressure: 2.2 bar
Discharge pressure: 35.8 bar
The contractor claimed that there is no centrifugal pumps available on the market that can operate in these parameters, hence he proposed double diaphragm pumps.
what are your thoughts?





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If this is after a separator and your "condensate" is volatile, your issue is going to be NPSH or the lack of it...
A can pump might be your only solution.
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RE: Centrifugal pumps flow limitation
Rotojet pump could be an alternate selection, or as valvecrazy has pointed out a can mounted submersible unit or even mounted directly thru' the wall condensate storage vessel.
It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)
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Condensate is basically at its vapour pressure at 2.2 bar so if you need to pump this then your only way to get NPSH is with gravity. Unless your separator is mounted 5m in the sky, then you need to dig a hole and drop a can unit in or a bigger hole and mount a pump down inside the big pit.
Your issue here is the flow rate. Is it really only 0.8 cubic metres an hour?? That's peanuts.
Remember - More details = better answers
Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.
RE: Centrifugal pumps flow limitation
It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)
RE: Centrifugal pumps flow limitation
RE: Centrifugal pumps flow limitation
It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)
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can you show me a drawing of where to place the can pumps and how it will be isolated and removed in case of maintenance.
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You usually need to make sure the outside of the can is well protected and in some locations they insist on a double skin to the tank the same as buried tanks to ensure no leakage.
Just google "Can pumps" for more info.
The dimension Z below is the lowering of the inlet for NPSH purposes from the visible above ground section.
This is still a very small pump. You may need to get a bigger pump and operate it on an on/off basis by storing fluid inside the separator until it needs to be pumped out.
PD pumps generally have a lower NPSH, but still have some and also they can suffer from acceleration head requirements, so they aren't always a good choice for low NPSHA fluids.
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I don't think the referrenced pump will do the work. the differential head we have is 537m
RE: Centrifugal pumps flow limitation
It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)
RE: Centrifugal pumps flow limitation
Still a very small amount of flow so I would batch flow it myself.
Remember - More details = better answers
Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.
RE: Centrifugal pumps flow limitation
RE: Centrifugal pumps flow limitation
It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)
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By the way, just curious, what is the use of pumping condensate (as defined) as such relatively elevated pressure?
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https://www.hydra-cell.co.uk/5264-/HydraCell-TSeri...
If the duty works out (concerned by the low flow), you may not get one to API610 but at least to API (for instance API-674).
Due to gas turbine application, you may increase reliability/availability by sparing the pump e.g. 2x100% (if not already done).
You could ask contractor who proposed double diaphragam pumps to substantiate the proposal and especially provide a reference list from proposed vendor (i.e. booster pump for gas turbine application).
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Some sort of multi-cylinder piston pump could quite easily do your duty as simple package.
Why the insistence on a centrifugal?
Remember - More details = better answers
Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.
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Before you choose the type of the pump, you need figure out the following(personal suggestions):
1. is the liquid corrosive or not? what is it?
2. is the liquid contains solid particles or not? if there is, how much diameters of the particle
3. you have to consider how to install the pump before choosing one, is it vertical or horizontal, if you are in design stage, then only if the pump parameters can match your condition, you can choose freely, if you need to replace one, then the site condition you need to consider
4. is it outside or indoor installation? is it under normal atmoshpere as it is related to the suction height(NPSHa),if not, you have to calculate it
5. each type of the pump has its pros and cons, centrifugal one, diaphragm one, canned one, metering one,piston one, you need learn which one is the most adaptive
Flow 0.7-0.8(m3/h)
Suction pressure: 2.2 bar
Discharge pressure: 35.8 bar
the diff. pressure is 33.6 barg and the flow rate is this low, I suggest you can choose from high pressure piston pump
hope this is helpful for you
RE: Centrifugal pumps flow limitation