## Foundations on C-phi soils

## Foundations on C-phi soils

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Engineers,

I have a case in which it is planned to build a bridge on an existing embankment. The embankment soils are clayey sands (SC). According to some lab test, this material has cohesion value = 500 psf and phi = 30. Fine content of this material is 35%.

After talking about typical bearing capacity computations with another engineer, he mentioned than other than using the typical bearing capacities (meyerhoff, terzagui, etc), he would also consider the bearing capacity for a clays, such as, 5.14xC / FS.

By comparing both, the BC formula for clays results in way much lower Bearing capacity values. Using this formula, recommendations would be deep foundations, otherwise, using the typical BC formula, recommendations would be shallow footings.

My question is, do you agree with such approach and If so, after how much fine contents in the sandy or gravelly soils, would you consider in order to use the BC formula for clays?

I have a case in which it is planned to build a bridge on an existing embankment. The embankment soils are clayey sands (SC). According to some lab test, this material has cohesion value = 500 psf and phi = 30. Fine content of this material is 35%.

After talking about typical bearing capacity computations with another engineer, he mentioned than other than using the typical bearing capacities (meyerhoff, terzagui, etc), he would also consider the bearing capacity for a clays, such as, 5.14xC / FS.

By comparing both, the BC formula for clays results in way much lower Bearing capacity values. Using this formula, recommendations would be deep foundations, otherwise, using the typical BC formula, recommendations would be shallow footings.

My question is, do you agree with such approach and If so, after how much fine contents in the sandy or gravelly soils, would you consider in order to use the BC formula for clays?

## RE: Foundations on C-phi soils

Once you figure out all of that, then the real work begins. How to limit the settlement. In what manner do you assign deformation criteria to the SC? Do you just guess modulus? Do you ignore the subject as if it'll be moot?

To a great extent, I rarely see bridges designed on spread footings bearing on soil (I work for a highway department). Our performance criterion is less than 1 inch of settlement during the 20 years after delivery to the public.

f-d

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## RE: Foundations on C-phi soils

In this case the water table is very deep, 25 feet below ground surface.

Just for curiosity Would you do the same approach if embankment fill is silty sand (SM) instead of clayey sand (SC)?. Silt content = 35%.

Yes, I know the nightmare for selecting the modulus would be the next step. I could be able to open a new thread for the E modulus selection, but just wanted to focus on how would different engineers approach this.

Thanks

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It is owned by a mining company. Even though Water table is about 25 ft below the top of the embankment, the intent is to have water (stream) under the bridge. The top of that stream would be about 15-20 feet under the bridge.

In understand that most of the bridges nowadays are built on deep foundations due to scour or due capacity issues, but, would you consider undrained analysis for this SC material (35% fines) in that situation?, fattdad seemed to do so.

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f-d

ípapß gordo ainÆt no madre flaca!

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Also, are there any existing bridges/buildings close to your site? Are there on deep or shallow foundations? Are the foundations performing ok?

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Bigh, yes, the footing would be near a slope. After running few slope stability analyses, it was concluded to push the footing in, as it was becoming critical its original position near the edge of the slope. Either way, since the other engineer preferred to use the undrained analyses as the critical one, he was pushing to use deep foundations.

Okiryu, no, this is the first bridge around this mining site. We did some research if there were similar structures around the area.

thanks again.