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Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)
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Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

(OP)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7122053/2...

Bigge tower crane collapses onto occupied apartment building and multilevel parking garage. The void in the parking structure is an apocalyptic sight.

Risk management appears to be becoming more difficult these days.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

Windstorm - from this snippet - maybe just too much wind drag on the crane and a member failure near the bottom:

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RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

Don't say wind until you know it wasn't something else.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

The video of the actual collapse was during a severe wind event in Dallas.
Here's a drone shot of the parking garage portion - looks like a multi-story pancake collapse:

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RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

This seems to be getting more frequent.

Could they put these cranes into a more tolerant configuration? Perhaps hook them to something rigid and put a small load on them so they aren't free to sway and perhaps get out of their vertical survival envelopes?

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

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Section fasteners failed due to overload force from wind gust? I hope they don't find fasteners were missing, wrong grade, or counterfeit.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

Possibly the correct fasteners were improperly torqued.

Bill
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RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

What wind speed are these supposed to be designed for? I presume they are considered "temporary" structures.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

jrs 87- That picture looks strange. It almost looks like a CG graphic, but I assume it's a picture. I think the 'section fasteners' are the long silvery pins exposed between the crane verticals, missing from the members that parted. If so, then I do not understand how they work unless they were left untightened by a foot or so as they span a large gap between the surviving connections. I would expect that they are either through bolts or pins with some type of associated hardware to provide the proper tension. Is there something else going on at this connection? Also, the crane that fell in Seattle a couple of weeks ago looks like these connections were made by cross-bolting together interlocking sections, instead of the surface to surface connections shown here.

Brad Waybright

It's all okay as long as it's okay.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

Yeah - this tower section construction/connection appears completely different than the Seattle crane. Seattle crane used HSS members at the corners and this one used what appear to be WF. The Seattle crane used some sort of an insert inside the HSS with pins connecting between the insert and the exterior HSS. Pins appeared to be in shear only there.

Here, it seems that the connectors are in tension.

This *could* be the crane. (no evidence other that it looks like it) https://www.bigge.com/crane-information/peiner-sk575/

Anyone know what the 'tie-bars' mentioned in the text below the video in that link are?

(Same as my comments in the last crane thread - I don't know anything about tower cranes but am genuinely curious)

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

I don't see any distortion of the steel at the left-front leg connection in the video frame posted by @jrs_87. This basically suggests that the bolts/rods never existed. I suppose there is a circumstance where the bolts could rupture in tension as the initial point of failure, but then why can we see the shanks of all the other bolts/rods?

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

One possibility- the bolts on that one leg failed, the others didn't fail. When the bolts on that leg failed, the leg was still straight enough they could just drop out (more like, got shot out, I guess). The other bolts were twisted around with the structure but didn't fail.
If that was my crane, I'd sure be looking for those broken bolts.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

JStpehen, I agree - the initial failure would be pure tension in the bolts; either they parted, lost their heads, or shed the nuts. In any case the leg with the initial failure would be straight. It's all the other ones that would be distorted.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

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azcats (Structural)10 Jun 19 15:29

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Anyone know what the 'tie-bars' mentioned in the text below the video in that link are?

The best information I have is that tie-bars attach tower to nearby finished section of structure.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

Ok, so tower cranes are designed with two criteria --

They're designed for a certain in-service load criteria. Say a 30-40mph wind simultaneous with loads on the hook, slewing around, etc. This is a "temporary structure" kind of design.

They're also designed for out-of-service loads, entirely from environmental conditions (primarily wind). (No allowance for operational loads, since the crane is to be shut down if a major storm approaches). In this configuration, they are designed as essentially permanent structures, or at least with a long enough mean recurrence interval to stand up to all except the most extreme storms. There's a procedure to follow when a storm approaches -- usually bringing in the trolley/hook and allowing the jib to slew freely ("weathervane").

As such, I'm sure that the crane manufacturer designed the crane itself to resist a storm of this magnitude. They would have provided reactions for the tie-backs (if used) and foundations to use when designing those elements.

So a few possible causes of failure, in no particular order:
  • Storm procedures weren't followed correctly
  • Tie-backs were required for that configuration, but not installed
  • Tie-back anchorages weren't designed properly
  • Connections weren't made correctly during crane erection (as speculated above)
  • Material failure in the connections (as speculated above)

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RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

Is it possible for the winds to shift faster than the jib can weathervane?

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

In a tower like this, and almost any structure really, the primary system would have been designed first, indifferent of the connections. The connections would have been designed second, and in some cases by a delegated designer. The main directive of connection design is to ensure that the primary structure reaches capacity, and fails the way the primary system was designed, and not to introduce any new global failure mechanisms. For the bolted connection to fail in pure tension before the other legs failed in buckling would raise flags about the original designs (or material or installation of course).

But if the bolts/rods were properly installed and if they failed in pure tension, then I wonder that I can see no evidence of related distortion in the plate steel around the 4 connections. Just eyeballing it I'm guessing those are 1" bolts with 5/8 plate steel. How do 4 bolts rupture without any flares or dimples or tears in the plate?

Hopefully more information will turn up.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

What the storm was like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB-DIzwdB_0

Edit: Local Sonic sign had the plastic blown out near our house, and that was quite a bit less severe than downtown. I also hear reports of some of the cantilevered redlight support poles being damaged, but don't know how many or exactly where.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

I live just outside Halifax, Nova Scotia. Over 80% of the province is without power.

Thankfully I've got a generator which we used last evening and this morning. And we got power back at 11am, but most of the province (about 75%, roughly) is still out.

Here's the crane. There's a video of it actually falling over online, above post.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

VEIBill; Interesting collapse that, the droopy wet-noodle look. Seems quite different from the latest collapses where they break up with pieces going all over to cause more ground mayhem.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

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They stick together when the bolts aren't taken out.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

At least that one fell and punished its own building, rather than somebody else's.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

Funny that, eh 3DD!

Definitely hokie.

I'm a little surprised though, they had to know this was coming, unlike most those other crane disasters, and yet they couldn't come up with a solution to protect their million dollar crane.

Couldn't they tether it to the building or guy wire it to something?

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

Not weathervaning substancially increases gust load. Tethers not good.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

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Couldn't they tether it to the building or guy wire it to something?
Perhaps Halifax city officials are still reviewing the operator's application to shore the crane for extreme weather protection? hourglass
(Joking of course)

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RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

I think the building that the crane was on was not the one it fell onto.

One thing the building owner said was 'Good thing it landed on my building, which is unoccupied; it's just a matter of money to fix it, no people were harmed'.

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

That building owner must be a pokadotted unicorn. I hope all his costs are covered and that he suffers little setback.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

Maybe I came to the wrong conclusion from the photos. Can someone who knows confirm whether or not the collapsed Halifax crane was being used in the construction of the building which it fell on?

RE: Dallas Texas Crane Collapse (Wind)

How is Bigge still in business? They seem to be involved in fatal accidents on a regular basis.

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