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Explosion proof

Explosion proof

(OP)
Sorry for what's probably a rookie question, but I just started this new contract and I have to get up to speed on this quickly. I need to understand the difference between Explosion Proof, Intrinsically Safe, Class 1 Div 1, and Class 2 Div 2. Let's say I have to specify some Control Valves for a customer, how do I know if they must be Explosion Proof etc? Is this something the customer must tell me? Let's say they are going in an area where I think there is combustible dust, do I specify Explosion Proof valves just to be safe? Thanks in advance for any help or advice!

RE: Explosion proof

First read the NEC (National Electrical Code).
An intrinsically safe device is a low power device that is certified to not use enough energy to cause ignition of the specified atmosphere. (See NEC)
An explosion proof device is certified to not release enough hot gasses to cause ignition of the specified atmosphere. (See NEC)
Gases may be released as a result of an internal explosion but will be cooled by passage between thermal masses so that any gases exiting will be below the ignition temperature of the specified atmosphere. (See NEC)

The power to and in an intrinsically circuit and device is not adequate to cause ignition of the specified atmosphere.
An explosion proof device contains and or cools hot gases below the ignition point of the specified atmosphere.
An intrinsically safe device will generally not have enough power to operate a valve.
There are divisions and subdivisions of hazardous atmospheres in the NEC.
Classification depends on the ignition temperature of the specified atmosphere, the probability of exposure to a hazardous atmosphere, the type of conductive and/or combustible dust or flyings. (See NEC)
An explosion proof device will be approved for specific conditions and/or atmospheres. (See NEC)
See the NEC
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Bill
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RE: Explosion proof

Depends on area to include as explosion proof. If in USA, I would look at NFPA articles that include your industry. Some industries have particular NFPA standards. We dont know if your in heat treating, petro, or some form of chemical mixture like injection molding? Ask your employer do they have all the standards that cover their industry on hand? If they don't I would be worried what they did in past. In that case just stick it to them and order all the standards thru purchasing, your just a contractor.

https://catalog.nfpa.org/Complete-List-of-Codes-an...

https://standardscatalog.ul.com/standards/en/stand...

https://www.fmapprovals.com/~/media/Files/FM_EXGas...

google is your friend!

RE: Explosion proof

There may be a few alternatives to both intrinsic-safety and explosion proof that might work for you. A common one for something like a valve would be to use a pneumatic valve, or a hydraulic valve, both of which avoid supplying ignition sources.


A third is using a purged system that keeps the electrical apparatus at a positive pressure so hazardous materials can not get into the electrical stuff to be ignited. They take a supply of gas and pressure sensors that remotely disconnect all power if positive pressure is lost.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Explosion proof

One other thing. You are wise to recognize a hazardous atmosphere and to seek aid with it. Especially hazardous dust. There are more people killed from dust explosions than gas, possibly because dust is harder to believe to be a hazard.

I'd advise you get a practiced hazop person to check your solution because you are inheriting a lot of liability doing anything in this realm. I got deep into it doing a specific job with a company I worked at. We controlled sterilizer chambers the size of semi-trailers filled with the second most flammable gas that was also a strong carcinogen. Luckily I had a lot of experienced engineers with hazardous atmosphere experience to teach me and point out critical details I'd not thought of. Still customers regularly blew their buildings and equipment up but at least it wasn't because of anything I did.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Explosion proof

Keith, sounds like ETO to me. Didja ever see the Chemical Safety Board's video on the Sterigenics explosion (out your way in CA) that blew the sterilizer chamber doors off? Supervisor provided password to bypass the standard multistage purge cycles.

Link

I had to commission steam flow meters in the El Paso plant (heavy ETO user, too) not long after the California episode and worried the whole time that someone would make a miatake (or more typically, a series of mistakes).

RE: Explosion proof

> Is this something the customer must tell me?

Yes, but it's up to you to ask and not to assume or leave unquestioned. It's standard question to a customer, "Does this _____ go into a hazardous area? If so, what area classification?"

The chunks of metal and plastic that valves are made of aren't the issue, it's the arcing/sparking ignition source that positioner/I/P electronics, limit switches, feedback signals or the electrical energy in an electrical solenoid or motorized actuator pose. For I/S, there's the potential heat source of ignition factor to consider as well.

RE: Explosion proof

(OP)
Thanks everyone for your help!

RE: Explosion proof

Hi Dan! Yes, I had pictures of it handed to me that my boss took in person of the results of that fiasco! The flame path of the explosion shot down the exhaust duct getting to the entire facility and screwing the entire place over. It collapsed the roof even. If I recall correctly they opened the door before a completed purge and started to drive a forklift up to it. The chamber atmosphere ignited blowing the door open so hard it threw the forklift and driver back to where they came from with the forklift landing on its side. Both workers were badly injured.

El Paso! I spent a couple of days there entirely replacing their ETO sterilizer controller with ours. It was a pretty nice facility. I went thru all their stuff replacing a lot of it. It was an intrinsic-safety design. In the midst of the process I discovered they'd run ALL of their I.S. wiring thru a big wire duct shared with 480VAC power. I had to spend some time solving that mess.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Explosion proof

Dan; I finally had a chance to watch that CSB report and I mixed up two different disasters. The Sterigenics one is the one my boss took pictures of. The fork lift one was at a different plant I had to go to to help out with. That plant wasn't destroyed because there was no explosion. The workers forced open the door while the chamber was under pressure. I believe it was a 12/88 facility - non explosive because of the 12%/88% mixture.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

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