## Preconsolidation Stress based on Oedometer Test and Undrained Shear Strength

## Preconsolidation Stress based on Oedometer Test and Undrained Shear Strength

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Dear All,

We are dealing with a flat field containing clay and silt with occasional beds of sand (1-2m thickness). The SPT counts from depth

I have received a couple of oedometer and unconfined compression test results from a local laboratory.

They performed oedometer testing at 2 fine grained soil samples.

Sample 1. Depth 17m. Pc = 142 kPa. This means that OCR<1

Sample 2. Depth 23m. Pc = 160 kPa. This means that OCR<1

They also performed Unconfined Compression test at:

Sample 1. Depth 15m. Su = 180 kPa.

Sample 2. Depth 25m. Su = 300 kPa.

I can not wrap my head around how low the presented Pc values are. The SPT counts seem high. If we use the Su/p' equation, it tells me that the material is overconsolidated, I can estimate a Pc of 700-900 kPa (Su x 4 or 5).

Should I trust the oedometer test? I can clearly see the linear curve, the estimation of Pc seems correct based on the void ratio vs pressure curve.

My instinct tells me to use OCR > 1 based on Su and SPT values.

Did any of you have such a dilemma? I'd appreciate if you can help me with your experience.

Best Regards,

We are dealing with a flat field containing clay and silt with occasional beds of sand (1-2m thickness). The SPT counts from depth

**10m to 30m**vary from 30-50. No SPT value is less than 30! GWT is at depth 3m from ground surface. Moisture content is around 20% and LL = 45-55.I have received a couple of oedometer and unconfined compression test results from a local laboratory.

They performed oedometer testing at 2 fine grained soil samples.

Sample 1. Depth 17m. Pc = 142 kPa. This means that OCR<1

Sample 2. Depth 23m. Pc = 160 kPa. This means that OCR<1

They also performed Unconfined Compression test at:

Sample 1. Depth 15m. Su = 180 kPa.

Sample 2. Depth 25m. Su = 300 kPa.

I can not wrap my head around how low the presented Pc values are. The SPT counts seem high. If we use the Su/p' equation, it tells me that the material is overconsolidated, I can estimate a Pc of 700-900 kPa (Su x 4 or 5).

Should I trust the oedometer test? I can clearly see the linear curve, the estimation of Pc seems correct based on the void ratio vs pressure curve.

My instinct tells me to use OCR > 1 based on Su and SPT values.

Did any of you have such a dilemma? I'd appreciate if you can help me with your experience.

Best Regards,

## RE: Preconsolidation Stress based on Oedometer Test and Undrained Shear Strength

f-d

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## RE: Preconsolidation Stress based on Oedometer Test and Undrained Shear Strength

edit: natural moisture content is around 20% and LL = 45-55.

## RE: Preconsolidation Stress based on Oedometer Test and Undrained Shear Strength

Assuming in situ effective vertical stress = 10*depth, I'm not sure how p'

_{c}can be interpreted reliably.To be honest, these look like they would be okay tests if they were from a shallower depth. But for the depths you've got, they don't appear reliable to me.

Could there be a legitimate reason for underconsolidation (e.g. rapid deposition)?

## RE: Preconsolidation Stress based on Oedometer Test and Undrained Shear Strength

The soil is overconsolidated as the Wn is much less than the LL.

Even when I squint, I can't get to 142 kPa for the Pc of the first curve!

f-d

ípapß gordo ainÆt no madre flaca!

## RE: Preconsolidation Stress based on Oedometer Test and Undrained Shear Strength

The GWT is at 3m from ground surface(water found at a sand layer with thickness of about 4m). Yes, the test was performed in saturated samples.

The in situ vertical stress for the sample at 15m is 180 kPa, for the sample at 23m is 260 kPa.

I can not see a legitimate reason for underconsolidation, especially taking into account the N spt counts.

Fattdad, I understand you compare Wn to LL (ive seen you mention this in many other posts) to get an idea of the OCR. Does the SPT count tell you anything regarding OCR?

I just checked the oedometer readings, and it seems that both samples were in expansion until they were loaded with 200 kPa. Could this be the reason? Maybe they should have tested the sample with larger loads? I can't see how the sample was disturbed considering the unit weight is 20 kN/m3. I've had cases where ive seen oedometer tests on remolded samples to the in situ density.

## RE: Preconsolidation Stress based on Oedometer Test and Undrained Shear Strength

Then again, you don't really have the lab support and N-value correlations to undrained shear strength are pretty inaccurate. That said, I'm thinking it's overconsolidated!

f-d

ípapß gordo ainÆt no madre flaca!

## RE: Preconsolidation Stress based on Oedometer Test and Undrained Shear Strength

The first stage of site investigation is desktop and it informs the engineer of the anticipated subsurface conditions. By precluding the site investigation the design engineer cannot accept any responsibility for providing a safe and economical design.

## RE: Preconsolidation Stress based on Oedometer Test and Undrained Shear Strength

Se = Gw assuming G = 2.7 and saturated

e= 0.54

Your consolidation test report are up in the 0.7 range something is wrong. Using common sense a low moisture content, high blow counts, and it looks like a clay it must be over consolidated.

Its either your consolidation test is wrong or your moisture content is wrong or its not fully saturated or you did the blow counts wrong or with a reduced hammer weight.

The first stage of site investigation is desktop and it informs the engineer of the anticipated subsurface conditions. By precluding the site investigation the design engineer cannot accept any responsibility for providing a safe and economical design.