Illinois Fire Sprinkler Contractor Licensing Act

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Illinois Fire Sprinkler Contractor Licensing Act

sremac (Mechanical)

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4 Nov 18 04:33

Hi,
Per Illinois Fire Sprinkler Contractor Licensing Act only P.E. , Architect or NICET 3 guys can prepare sprinkler drawings. Does that mean that if you work in company fresh out of collage or school you can not draw any drawings?
Here is a copy:

'All fire protection system layout documents of fire sprinkler systems, as defined in Section 10 of
this Act, shall be prepared by (i) a professional engineer who is licensed under the
Professional Engineering Practice Act of 1989, (ii) an architect who is licensed under the
Illinois Architecture Practice Act of 1989, or (iii) a holder of a valid NICET level 3 or 4
certification in fire protection technology automatic sprinkler system layout who is either
licensed under this Act or employed by an organization licensed under this Act”.

I was under impression that as long at the plan is checked and 'stamped' by NICET 3 is OK?
Does anyone have experience with this?

Thanks,

MGXFP (Automotive) · Answer 1 · 2018-11-04 14:21:06

You can still create shop drawings and calculations without a NICET 3 cert, architect license or engineer license. If not every designer would die and no one would replace them.

One of those individuals need to review and approve the drawings and calculations before submittal for permit.

I started drawings with no experience and now I am the PE/NICET that approves shops for permit if that answers your question. I'm in Oklahoma and the laws are very similar to what you have posted above.

sremac (Mechanical) · Answer 2 · 2018-11-05 21:09:02

One knucklehead that's doing plan review for Tri-State (PE) requires that plan needs to drawn by NICET 3, not someone else. When I called him and told that drawn by and prepared by in not the same, he just said 'you're not fist company that complains about it, it is the law, sorry bro'
So, my question is when someone reading the law wrong, what should we do? Do we have to lie and put someone's else initials on 'drawn by'?

mad

TravisMack (Mechanical) · Answer 3 · 2018-11-06 04:04:26

Doesn't the NICET certificant have to sign the plans prior to sending for review? Just put STAFF in the drawn by box of the title block. Problem solved.

You could check with NICET and see how many III and IV's you have in the entire state. Then ask the guy how this number of certificants are to be handling the entire state fire sprinkler system drawings. I have no idea how to help. Hopefully you can get him to see reason at some point.

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SprinklerDesigner2 (Mechanical) · Answer 4 · 2018-11-09 14:58:57

As of April 20, 2018

There is a total of 4,784 NICET certified individuals in the world.

Of those 868 are Level I, 970 are Level II, 1,740 are Level III and 1,195 are Level IV's.

In California there are 55 Level I, 43 Level II, 42 Level III and 42 Level IV's.

Note the numbers can be off just a bit because I used a word processor to count. But it is really close.

Also worthy of note the median age in Georgia for a Level IV technician is 61 and 53 for Level III.

TravisMack (Mechanical) · Answer 5 · 2018-11-09 15:26:25

As you note in GA, I wonder how many of those are still doing design day to day. I bet not all of them by any means.

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