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# Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate7

## Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

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Hello All,

I'm a young engineer that just got a bachelor's in civil engineering. I recently interviewed for and was offered a position at a construction company I was eager to work at.

I tried to negotiate a higher salary than I was offered, but ultimately I failed and was offered only the original salary. I accepted this since I still wanted the job and the salary isn't much lower than what I was aiming for.

My question is, as engineering employees and employers yourselves, what would you think of a new person coming in like this? I feel kind of embarassed and awkward coming into my first day on Monday now that I tried to squeeze some more money out of them and failed. Do you think they will look down on me a little bit for that or will they just forget about it?

### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

Nothing wrong with that! It is somewhat expected. The fact that you got the job means they are OK with you. Now prove yourself and the salary will come!

### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

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The only failed negotiation is when you don't even try. You've set the tone that you are looking for a little more. Someone else that didn't negotiate at all might take a year and a few awkward conversations with the boss to get where you're at on day one. Just because you didn't get a bigger number now doesn't mean the negotiation was a failure.

### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

My company usually takes in 5 - 10 graduates a year in this area, and has a fixed salary for new graduates. It goes up every few years to keep in line with inflation and most companies are within a couple of thousand £'s of each other. The recruiters here probably couldn't (even if they wanted to) increase the start salary of a graduate.

That said, I'm pretty sure none of them would hold it against you for asking (as long as you were professional about it and not asking for a ludicrous amount).

If I was sitting in the interview, I'd be pretty pleased to see someone recognising their own value and trying to sell it. That's a valuable skill that not all graduates are able to do.

In my experience the best time to negotiate salary is during a 'yearly review' (if you do those) or at promotion. Demonstrate you are "exceeding the requirements of your role", and it should be a fairly easy case to get a raise.

Bear in mind 'large' companies will have 'pay brackets' which will relate to job roles / titles / responsibilities, and being paid more than those brackets allow will be hard (if not impossible) to achieve. Although technically based on roles, you might also find a 'years of experience' expectation (although I think this is technically discriminatory, you'll probably find it still holds true).

I have a good relationship with my boss, so I have no qualms about telling him what increase I expect at reviews / promotions and he usually meets these or comes close. In a few cases, HR have stepped in and capped a raise (there are 'mandatory company wide limits'), but he's usually made it up with a bigger than usual annual increase the following year, or a bit more in the bonus etc.

### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

JMO but fresh graduates' experience and ability varies quite significantly so I wouldn't say they have no bargaining power, some even have more than experienced engineers I've known. Personally I wont negotiate salary, either a company approaches me with an offer within a couple thousand of my desired salary or I look elsewhere. Some will say that's short-sighted but I've had no issues being in the top 10% of engineers and getting what I want in that regard, maybe I'm just lucky but I dont like to deviate from success. OTOH I do negotiate vacation time and relocation/hiring bonus (often forgotten "free" money) as those aren't tracked nearly as closely as salary on budgets and HR reports.

### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

Fresh out of college you should be more concerned about where you work and the quality of your initial work experience.

I wouldn't worry about your employer's reaction. I'm sure they laughed it off. Kids say the darnedest things.

### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

The two (or three) "bosses" interviewing you and discussing the starting salary will not be in their positions forever. Unless some one was actually in the room when the issue came up, it is not known nor discussed outside of that room: If it were known they'd have problems with anybody else making less, or starting out less, or getting a different deal. DON'T TALK ABOUT SALARIES with anyone EXCEPT your boss.

Your reputation, however, IS what "you" begin making with the engineers, bosses, IT, expense accounters and travel staff and management that YOU interact with for the next 2-3 years of your salary cycle.

### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

Embarrassment and humility coupled with the will to prove you are more than a single misstep will get you somewhere. When they ask you for something, just try to give something that is overkill that not many people in your salary range could give.

### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

You didn't do anything wrong, negotiating is not easy. Give it a bit of time, prove that you deserve a raise and go for it.

### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

I think I'm kicking a dead horse at this point but I'll echo everyone else: don't worry about it! Best of luck in your new job!

### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

No one is coming to work because it is their hobby. Everyone is trying to save up for their retirement and their mortgage. Now you just go to work and hopefully you get what you want there. A pretty big chunk of fresh graduates switch companies after they get their PE license so don't be too surprised or disappointed when if your present employer doesn't progressively increase your salary. Companies that play that game love spending money to train fresh graduates over and over.

### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

"No one is coming to work because it is their hobby."

Oops, did I make a wrong turn down the hallway? I was wondering why I was having so much fun; I hope no one in HR catches on

TTFN (ta ta for now)
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### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

It is not bad to negotiate. Even you are young, you showed personality when you tried to negotiate with them. That is a good thing. I think that your new employee liked that, especially because you will be working in the construction industry.

### RE: Salary Negotiation Failed Recent College Graduate

Take the job. Do it with all your heart and soul.
Once you learn the ropes, get a new job. You will know your value.
If the company counters, its good, if not, move on.

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