## Relationship between power and torque

## Relationship between power and torque

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From basic physics we know, that:

P = M * w/t, where:

P - power

m - torque

w - angle of rotation

t - time

This can be translated into this formula:

P = M * n / 9550, where:

n - RPM

In other words, a power is directly proportional to torque. Then how does the dyno tests of car engines produces curves, where P and M are not directly proportional?

Thank you for explanation

P = M * w/t, where:

P - power

m - torque

w - angle of rotation

t - time

This can be translated into this formula:

P = M * n / 9550, where:

n - RPM

In other words, a power is directly proportional to torque. Then how does the dyno tests of car engines produces curves, where P and M are not directly proportional?

Thank you for explanation

## RE: Relationship between power and torque

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If you take a dyno plot from an engine and look at individual RPM points, the values will fit the equation 100% of the time.

If you look at a dyno plot where the units are ft-lb and HP, if the torque and power curves are plotted on the same x and y scale, they will cross at 5252 every single time- because the equation to calculate power from torque and speed in those units is (Torque x RPM) / 5252.

Power is a function of torque and speed, not a quantity that we directly measure. Torque and speed are

alwaysmeasured, and power isalwayscalculated. You cannot directly measure power.## RE: Relationship between power and torque

You formula comment "In other words, a power is directly proportional to torque" is simply wrong. Power and torque are only directly proportional if you hold rpm constant. Similarly, power and rpm are only directly proportional if you hold torque constant. If you don't understand this then Google directly proportional.

The formula has both torque and rpm. When both can vary the power is never directly proportional to either value. The torque an engine can produce varies with the rpm and the engine rpm is never a constant in a vehicle drive train so both are always changing. It doesn't matter though, because the formula still applies even if both RPM and torque are changing.

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## RE: Relationship between power and torque

another point on the wheel dynos - I've seen at least one magazine article comparing output power with different tires installed, where the tires had different diameter. They concluded that the power curve had been changed significantly, but what had really changed was the relationship between dyno roller RPM and engine RPM.

## RE: Relationship between power and torque

Going to a bigger tire decreases torque at the contact patch, making the apparent load on the engine higher- which has exactly the same effect on vehicle performance as reducing engine power. Everything is a function of torque and speed- so if you change one of those you change everything.

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I think that answer is missing a bit of detail. Changing tire diameter doesn't have exactly the same effect as reducing engine power - it has an effect similar to changing transmission or differential ratio. Assuming all your tests are done in the lowest gear, you might conclude that vehicle acceleration is affected in the same way as it would be if engine power was lower over a significant portion of the operating range, but even in that scenario you would see the curves cross at the right hand side of the graph (which is not the same as simply increasing or reducing power as w/throttle restriction).

In the case of the article I'm referring to, I think they concluded that lower-profile tires had less frictional losses than standard-profile tires and therefor increased power at the wheels by 5% or so ... but they had missed the shift in the curve caused by tire diameter and virtually the entire effect they "measured" could be explained by that factor alone.

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