Design automatic carton box openener
Design automatic carton box openener
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Hi guys!
Since a few months I work at plant where they make rice.
Now I have to design an automatic carton box opener, but I don't know how to start.
Afther the carton box is filled, it has to be re-openend if there is any quality issue with the rice.
The machine has to cut (or something else) the box to open it and afther that, the machine has to empty the carton box so the plastic bags come out.
All the boxes have the same width but not the same height and length.
One of the targets is also that it should empty 600 boxes/hour but this isn't the main goal.
So if there is a design that could empty less then 600 boxes / hour it's still fine.
I hope you guys can help me,
In the attachment you find a file with the carton box with the platic bags in it.
http://files.engineering.com/getfile.aspx?folder=7...
Since a few months I work at plant where they make rice.
Now I have to design an automatic carton box opener, but I don't know how to start.
Afther the carton box is filled, it has to be re-openend if there is any quality issue with the rice.
The machine has to cut (or something else) the box to open it and afther that, the machine has to empty the carton box so the plastic bags come out.
All the boxes have the same width but not the same height and length.
One of the targets is also that it should empty 600 boxes/hour but this isn't the main goal.
So if there is a design that could empty less then 600 boxes / hour it's still fine.
I hope you guys can help me,
In the attachment you find a file with the carton box with the platic bags in it.
http://files.engineering.com/getfile.aspx?folder=7...
RE: Design automatic carton box openener
RE: Design automatic carton box openener
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RE: Design automatic carton box openener
@Compositepro , I also think a rotary knife would be a good idea but I don't understand how the two halves will form a "V".
Is it maybe possible to draw a sketch of it?
@IRstuff I think that when you slice around the entire box, there is the possibility that some carton comes with the bags when you empty the box.
Another problem is that the boxes got different dimensions, so when you slice around the entire box you always have to change the settings of the opener or is there an other way?
RE: Design automatic carton box openener
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REBhP0jjNCc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxNb0Vq3ffk
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Hopefully those examples can give me some inspiration.
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>> only if you just bad cutter or cheap boxes. If the box is cleanly cut, it should lift cleanly from the pile of bags and the bottom of the box.
Another problem is that the boxes got different dimensions, so when you slice around the entire box you always have to change the settings of the opener or is there an other way?
>> You stated that one dimension was fixed, which means that it could be placed perpendicular to the travel of the belt. A blade comes out and cuts the front, two blades cut parallel to the belt, which makes that dimension irrelevant, and some sort of sensor detects the back of the box, stops the side cuts and brings out a blade to cut the back.
It could be similar to 3DDave's video, only the cutting would be along the bottoms of the boxes, which would allow the belt to simply dump all the bags while retaining the bottoms of the boxes on the belt
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It is better to have enough ideas for some of them to be wrong, than to be always right by having no ideas at all.
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@orneynorsk Because rice bags may not be opened I think such a machine isn't achievable.
After some testing I think it's possible to open the box at the top with a rotating knife. Because when I use a normal knife it seems like the box doesn't got enough resistance and folds.
When I try to open the box at the bottom,I always cut in the bags because the box is very full with bags.
What is the easiest way to empty the box after opening it? I'm looking for a way to rotate the box 180°
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Seems like I have to find an other way to open the boxes.
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RE: Design automatic carton box openener
There are various systems for blowing dust off things that should be clean and dust collection systems to limit the spread.
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You can't see the created dust, but in the lab they tested it and it creates to much dust for the consumer.
Maybe there are possibilities to open the box without cutting? Like 3DDave says, it will also generate dust but a filter can reduce it to a acceptable amount.
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1. Slow the rotation of the blade.
2. Try different cutting edge geometries. Sharp and polished will minimize dust. Grind marks on the blade can act as sand paper.
3. Place a vacuum pick-up near the blade.
4. Humidify the cardboard before cutting it. It can be done in storage or as part of the cutting process with a little spray.
5. Make sure the blade rotates toward the outside of the box as it cuts.
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What would Rube Goldberg do?!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JyhWhgNXSc
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Weaken the box by humidify also isn't an option becaus of quality issues.
Now I'm more looking for an option to open the box at the top, where the box gets closed.
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This seems like an important requirement. Please clarify how it's supposed to "influence" the quality of the rice.
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A static knife could well be an option, because it generates just a small amount of dust which can be filtered.
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How can a knife generate more dust than what amounts to a saw?
A failed box requires extra handling anyway, to sort out good rice from bad, so dust would seem to be a minor issue.
Moreover, at the heart of the problem is the adage that you should find and fix faults BEFORE you have to take things apart to repair or replace them; that means that your company should be looking at how to eliminate boxing bad rice in the first place, which would therefore eliminate the need for a specialized piece of hardware for re-opening them. Your stated design goal of 600 (bad) boxes/hr is insanely ludicrous; how many boxes are expected to pass? If the percentage of failures is not less than 0.1%, then there's something seriously wrong in your manufacturing process.
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RE: Design automatic carton box openener
@IRstuff I think a saw generates more dust because it makes an back-and forth motion. It is pretty hard to fix the faults who generates the bad boxe because they are the result of human faults.
It's possible to open the box at the bottom or top side with a static knife. The next part is to seperate the ricebags from the box. Is there a possibilty with a twisted belt so the ricebags slide out of the box?