Corrosion - Bearing to iron spacer?

• Jan 16, 2003

• #2

piyushjoshi

Mechanical

Jul 11, 2002

1

IN

I think it is a lube problem, as there are some prevalent conditions exist:
1) The ring is pressed to the springs
2) the tempr. may be high due to lube problem
3) Due to the high tempr. the metal melts and plastic welding phenomena occurs.

You can use high viscosty oil or syntheic oil for lub.
You can also change the material of ring which can sustain high tempr.


Piyush Joshi

 

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• Jan 16, 2003

• #3

Metalguy

Materials

Jan 2, 2003

1,412

US

It sounds to me like the ring and thrust bearing (race, I assume) do not rotate against each other. If so, I'd suspect a possible fretting condition (tiny amounts of movement, sometimes caused by vibration).

 

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• Jan 20, 2003

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• #4

sprintcar

Mechanical

Oct 16, 2001

763

US

Thanks guys
We switched to syn oil for OEM initial fill a few years ago. Its a non-rotating fit, but there could be some fretting as the thrust loads change. Haven't gotten any field feedback yet. Customers tend to randomly change lube brands so there could be some reaction internally with noncompatible oils.

I'm redesigning the preload arrangement to reduce the potential for movement, so if it is fretting this could be the fix. Of course I won't know for certain until 2 or 3 years from now! Keep the wheels on the ground
Bob
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• Jan 20, 2003

• #5

Metalguy

Materials

Jan 2, 2003

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Keep in mind that fretting can involve microscopic movement.

You might also consider using something like Loctite "bearing mount" or equiv. between the faces.

 

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• Feb 11, 2003

• #6

mechanosetboy

Mechanical

Feb 11, 2003

2

A1

If the system is VVVF driven there is a possibility of flux failure in the bearing housing with the rotor and bearings forming the ground path, This induces a spot welding effect.

 

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• Feb 17, 2003

• #7

RotorEng

Mechanical

Feb 17, 2003

2

US

This certainly sound like fretting. You also could try using solid lubrication, MoS2 or other similar lubricant. Since this is a non-rotational surface interface (except for micro-vibration induced fretting) elastohydrodynamic lubrication cannot form and prevent contact between the surface interfaces. A solid lubricant displacer would better serve the job. Another common practice is to increase the hardness of the two contacting surfaces and closely match both hardness and surface finish.

 

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