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Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?
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Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

(OP)
Saw these at a steel supplier.

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

Not quite that big, but have done W14s in the 300-400 lb/ft range for chord members of long span transfer trusses.

Edit: Actually remember another job that had a W14x500, both as a chord of a transfer truss and then for some of the columns supporting the transfer.

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

Columns to support the boiler at electrical generating stations. The boiler hangs from the top of the structural steel so that thermal expansion causes it to "grow" downward (several inches) at normal operating temperatures. Since the boiler structure may be 250 feet high, or so, these columns have to support astounding loads.

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Largest I've ever used was a W36x720.
Top chord of a 378 ft. long bowstring truss which used three, 4 inch diameter bridge strand for the bottom chord.

The flanges were 3.9 inches thick with a 2.165 inch web. Got them from Belgium I believe.



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RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

I think the larger W14's tend to be generally used for columns.

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RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

Guardrail stanchions.

I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

Columns in high rise buildings.

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

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The largest column reaction I've seen on plans was 3,000,000 lbs. What's the largest axial reaction you've seen?

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

I saw an interesting one at a power plant in New Mexico 40 years ago where A W14x320 (or thereabouts) was used as a core section and then had approximately 20 x 3" cover plates welded to both flanges. As noted above, this was the supporting steel for the boiler structure.

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

I've seen them used as columns, though not on any job that I've worked on.

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

I've seen some big ones as truss chords at the local NHL arena. W14x455 Top chords, W14x311 bottom chords. Span around 280 feet.

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

If you look at the AISC manual you will see that W14's come in a wide range of sizes, from x22 all the way up to x730. No other shape has nearly that wide a range of profiles. This was clearly done* for use as columns in high rise buildings, as Hokie66 pointed out.

Dlclarkii, were those salvaged from the World Trade Center buildings, per chance? I find it unlikely that a fabricator would "just so happen" to have such sizes lying around. In preparation for a new job or left over from an old job gone bust, yes, but not as part of his general inventory unless he's intent on going out of business.

*EDIT: perhaps a better way to have worded this would have been: It seems to me that this was likely done to meet the requirements of high rise buildings and other structures that require members capable of taking extremely large compression members. W14 lends itself to being able to be rolled to a very large cross sectional area while keeping ry as large as possible. It is an "efficient" shape in that regard.

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

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To my knowledge, they're drops, left over pieces from a previous order. A customer ordered a specific length but didn't want the drop. So the supplier has these large beams stored incase someone else may need a W14 of this size.

edit: Which is stupid, when you buy a beam you're paying for the stock length, not just the length you want. So someone paid for these full length pieces plus cutting charges but didn't want the drop. At 60¢/lb that's $300/ft x 35' is a $12,000 beam! Granted I probably wouldn't want these drops if I were a fabricator and have to find storage in my shop. Just moving them around would be a bear at 600lb/ft. Must be a government job with no budget in mind. Would hurt if one of these rolled on your foot, steel toes or not!

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

Used similar size for moment frame columns, at one point used a larger size. Project now has a more "reasonable" size, W14x455.

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

Ah, it didn't dawn on me that they could be left over pieces. I wonder what's involved in cutting something like that?

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

Those are not normal crops, if they are crops or drops. No fab shop or stl. supplier in their right mind would mill order something like those members, 35' too long, and then assume they could put them out in stock, to be used or sold later. There is just no ready market or likely future use for something like that, during your lifetime. There must have been a major change or redesign in the project which caused something like that, or their purchasing guy shot a real bull. Our purchasing people had a handle on std. sizes, what we used and how quickly it turned over; plus all of the lengths of pieces of stock out in the warehouse. They would order std. sizes in 60' lengths, or max. lengths for a given size, a mixed lot, by the railcar load. Then we would just restock reasonable length crops for future use. But, something like those W14's, or other unusual sizes where ordered so all we had to do was clean up the ends to final length, with min. waste. For large jobs they would mill order most of the stl. in large lots from various mills, and that material was pretty well kept separate for that particular job.

We had a circle saw with about a 6' dia. blade, and hundreds of machine tool teeth, which literally machined (took small chips, like a milling machine might) through stl. members like that. That saw had about a 5/16 or 3/8" kerf width. With that saw we didn’t have to mill the ends for bearing when we were done cutting them to length. We also had a band saw type cutting system which would have worked. Then we had and end milling machine to dress the ends square and flat for end bearing.

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

Cut them in to smaller lengths and use them with a glass top for a nifty coffee table.

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RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

you'd have to cut them into one 6" length just to be able to move the sucker.

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

Quote (KootK)

Guardrail stanchions.

Would not want to hit that!

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

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I think the customer but the entire beam and only wanted a short piece and told the supplier to keep the drop. IDK for sure!

RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

Texas toothpicks...

Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA)


RE: Anyone ever use these W14s and what did you use them for?

What you really need to do is use W14x730s... and then cover plate them!

"We shape our buildings, thereafter they shape us." -WSC

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