Heat Treated Stainless 440C Hole Saw Shattering. HELP!
Heat Treated Stainless 440C Hole Saw Shattering. HELP!
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Hello, I’m an industrial engineering undergrad who is making my own stainless 440C hole saws from 1 inch OD round bar. Using a lathe, I drilled, reamed, and finally used a boring bar to get the wall thickness to 0.021” (I know, it’s very thin). I then used a mill and a v-cutter to machine the teeth. Next, I heat treatment the hole saw to get a martensitic structure. I heat treated at 1038 degrees Celsius for 30 minutes, removed and air quenched, and finally temper for 1 hour at 230 degrees Celsius.
This hole saw was designed to be attached to a T-handle, to manually cut hardwood up to a ¼ inch thick. It cannot rust, and must have high hardness and toughness, which is why I chose 440C. This hole saw worked well for a year. I recently let a friend try it and it broke (see attached pictures). My friend used way more downward force than me when it broke. I feel that my hole saw has way too much hardness (no wear on teeth) but not enough toughness, almost like glass.
Can someone please advise on how to preventing my hole saws from shattering? Many of my engineering professors are baffled.




This hole saw was designed to be attached to a T-handle, to manually cut hardwood up to a ¼ inch thick. It cannot rust, and must have high hardness and toughness, which is why I chose 440C. This hole saw worked well for a year. I recently let a friend try it and it broke (see attached pictures). My friend used way more downward force than me when it broke. I feel that my hole saw has way too much hardness (no wear on teeth) but not enough toughness, almost like glass.
Can someone please advise on how to preventing my hole saws from shattering? Many of my engineering professors are baffled.









RE: Heat Treated Stainless 440C Hole Saw Shattering. HELP!
Ted
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I will try tempering at 500 degrees C. Do you think the 30 minute heat treatment at 1038 degrees C is too long for such a thin wall hole saw? With that said, should I increase wall thickness, or can I leave it thin? This hole saw cuts faster when it’s thin.
Can anyone recommend a tougher grade of stainless steel that is widely available?
Thank you guys for all the great advice.
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RE: Heat Treated Stainless 440C Hole Saw Shattering. HELP!
Training and being more selective in whom your tools are borrowed to. All hands are capable of holding tools, but not all should.
Other than tooth profile, it looks like to me that you did a very nice job of it. 440C is great stuff. Another option would be to pull a little more temper on the tool, and laser harden the tooth edges.
It is better to have enough ideas for some of them to be wrong, than to be always right by having no ideas at all.
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RE: Heat Treated Stainless 440C Hole Saw Shattering. HELP!
dgallup, I was looking at both stainless 420 and 17-4 PH.
What do you guys think about induction hardening? Many of the hand saws in Home Depot are done this way. It would keep much of the hole saw tough, and only take seconds compared to traditional heat treatments.
Thanks again guys.
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Ted
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RE: Heat Treated Stainless 440C Hole Saw Shattering. HELP!
... which might have been slightly less likely if the 'cup' section were not much deeper than the thickness of the sheet you're cutting, and had a blend radius at the bottom.
... and if you had set the teeth a bit to provide clearance behind the cutting edges.
Seriously, go to a hardware store and study commercial hole saws, and Japanese style handsaws.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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Can you provide an axial and a radial close in photo of the "average" tooth?
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By increasing the amount of teeth, I can decrease the height of the “cup” section. I want to go from 24 teeth to 36 teeth. Attached is an image of a hole saw I created with a 1/16” TiAlN endmill. On the mill, I used an indexing head and rotated the vice 60 degrees clockwise, and then 60 degrees counterclockwise to machine the teeth. When it was quenched in oil, it warped, so I never really used it (I only air quench now).
I’ll buy a smaller diameter endmill to machine a hole saw with more teeth. My concern is chip clearance. I’m honestly not sure how to set the teeth accurately. I’ll look into it and try to set something up in our machine shop.
Thanks, and Happy New Years guys.
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Attached are some images I took with my iPhone 6 and a DSLR camera. I don’t have the best lens for this. Hopefully these are the angles you requested. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
RE: Heat Treated Stainless 440C Hole Saw Shattering. HELP!
Now, about the tooth shape. The shape you've used will cut equally well in either direction of rotation. Each tooth will just sort of drag on the wood, and hopefully wear off a little wood dust, instead of digging up a chip. It probably gives you a nice finish, but takes forever to complete a hole.
If instead you notch the shell so that one face of each tooth is parallel to the axis of rotation, then the saw will cut in only one direction of rotation, but it should cut a _lot_ faster. You might even angle that tooth face a little more than perpendicular, so it has a positive 'top rake'. Look that up in, e.g., Machinery's Handbook, in the section on cutting tools.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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