Minimum distance between welds in piping
Minimum distance between welds in piping
(OP)
Hi
There is a problem in piping of my project. the distance between weld(related to pad of branches)and circumferential weld line is very low and the inspector has not accepted them. The material of piping are both CS and SS. Please let me know what the related standards and common practice of this matter are?
Thanks in advance.
There is a problem in piping of my project. the distance between weld(related to pad of branches)and circumferential weld line is very low and the inspector has not accepted them. The material of piping are both CS and SS. Please let me know what the related standards and common practice of this matter are?
Thanks in advance.





RE: Minimum distance between welds in piping
Take care.
RE: Minimum distance between welds in piping
It is not something that is addressed in the piping codes - it is generally always noted in the project specifications.
If you cannot find it yourself in the specifications ask the inspector to provide reference to where it is unacceptable.
Just remember - if it isn't documented, it cannot be enforced.
Regards,
DD
RE: Minimum distance between welds in piping
thread378-242240: Minimal Weld Spacing in Piping
RE: Minimum distance between welds in piping
Refer to Shmulik reference as an example.
I think that's a pretty common method, Ive other reference this rule of thumb also.
The requirements for CS may differ from SS (in that CS may be more strict), since SS is not a hardenable material.
Correct, but that doesn't take away that sound engineering practice should always be applied, which may still require the manufacturer to apply a minimum spacing, even if it's not required. Remember the Code sets out minimum requirements.
RE: Minimum distance between welds in piping
My comment was not code specific - it relates to anything documented, be it codes, project specifications, procedures, purchase orders, contract documents etc.
If it is not documented it cannot be enforced.
An inspector cannot reject something based on his opinion or the fact he has verbally been told there has to be a minimum spacing requirement.
Regards,
DD
RE: Minimum distance between welds in piping
Furthermore, it should be basic understanding of engineers that for some materials a minimum distance should be kept, regardless if it's enforced or not, to assure sound material properties after fabrication.
RE: Minimum distance between welds in piping
RE: Minimum distance between welds in piping
Obviously an issue best avoided by design of course. But sometimes you can't.
In the case of the intersection between long seams and circ seams, that happens on every circ seam when you use welded seam pipe. The pipe is annealed after welding so in theory there is no HAZ in the long seam weld to concern yourself with.
RE: Minimum distance between welds in piping
it won't happen again.
RE: Minimum distance between welds in piping
You are straying from the issue.
The OP has noted piping so ASME VIII has nothing to do with it.
If there is nothing noted in MicroEngs contract documents and it is not noted in the applicable code how can the inspector reject it ?
I am currently supervising 10 x welding inspectors on a multi billion dollar subsea project and if I found them rejecting things because they read about it on an internet forum they would be out the gate so fast their heads would be spinning.
This is an excerpt from a previous project (major US EPCM)
4.3.2 The minimum distance between adjacent welds shall be the greater of 75mm or five
times the thickest pipe/fitting wall thickness.
4.3.3 Non-pressure attachment welds such as welded pipe supports shall be a minimum of
50mm from each other or from any other pipe welds.
4.3.4 The minimum distances between welds defined above shall be measured from weld toe
to weld toe and not between weld centrelines.
The OP has noted that the problem is branch pads being too close to circ welds so the piping has obviously been designed that way - therefore a TQ to the design engineer would be the best option (pass it back to the person who created the problem)
Cheers,
DD