The word THE
The word THE
(OP)
I had a discussion with a co-worker who mentioned that the word "the" is used too often in sentences.
I agree with that, but I do not know how to support the statement.
When is it proper to use the word "the", and when should it be omitted?
Here is an example note from an engineering drawing:
PHANTOM LINES INDICATE THE OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING. or
THE PHANTOM LINES INDICATE THE OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING. or
THE PHANTOM LINES INDICATE OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING. or
PHANTOM LINES INDICATE OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING.
I agree with that, but I do not know how to support the statement.
When is it proper to use the word "the", and when should it be omitted?
Here is an example note from an engineering drawing:
PHANTOM LINES INDICATE THE OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING. or
THE PHANTOM LINES INDICATE THE OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING. or
THE PHANTOM LINES INDICATE OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING. or
PHANTOM LINES INDICATE OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING.
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PHANTOM LINES (in general) INDICATE THE OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING. "of the part being discussed" or "of all parts"
THE (specific) PHANTOM LINES (that are being discussed) INDICATE THE (specific) OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING. "of the part being discussed" or "of all parts"
THE (specific) PHANTOM LINES (that are being discussed) INDICATE OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING. "indicate the outline being discussed" or "indicate all outlines" / "of the part being discussed" or "of all parts"
PHANTOM LINES (in general) INDICATE OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING. "indicate the outline being discussed" or "indicate all outlines" / "of the part being discussed" or "of all parts"
If you use the correct "the" and correct plural form of subjects, there is no confusion. If you want to save the effort of typing an extra 3 letters and a space, then the meaning is not always clear.
So to answer the question, omit it when you don't care if the reader understands what you are trying to say.
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If I get a print from you that uses phantom lines to show a bolt circle in a side view, then I am going to cut right through the whole part because you said that is what it means. Instead of a bolt circle, you'll get a part that is milled in a bunch of different pieces. Same with any features on the far side of a view.
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Should be:
"none of them uses correct grammar"
- Steve
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So, making above assumptions then in the interest of brevity I'd lean toward "PHANTOM LINES INDICATE OUTLINE OF PART AFTER MACHINING" though it may be worth looking at ASME Y14.8 (the casting drawing spec) to see if it uses similar text.
What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?
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==> Those sentences mean different things, and none of them use correct grammar.
Yes, the sentences mean difference things, but what are the grammatical errors?
Or are you considering ambiguity to be a grammatical error?
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but seriously i'd use ... PHANTOM LINE(S) INDICATES OUTLINE OF PART(S) AFTER MACHINING
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The error is similar to what you described Cajun. Either lack of "the" to identify "PART" as specific or at least "a" to identify it as singular. If the note refers to multiple parts, then the error is lack of the "s."
I can guess that there are not multiple parts on the hypothetical drawing in question, so maybe there is no room for confusion no matter how it is written.
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Nevertheless accepted practice is to avoid using "the", "a", and "an". This may have something to do with the fact that one standardized note was to be applied to several drawings having one or several features / outlines etc., so usage of "the" vs. "a" vs. nothing would eventually be compromised anyway.
In fact, it was not uncommon to have note in form of pre-printed sticker.
Kenat, I checked with Y14.8 Section 5 - not a "the" in sight
And after all we can agree the drawing note is something different from magazine article, and both are different from, say, instant messaging (shudder).
Different rules apply in different situations.
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My wife, when I was in college, used to type (this was back in the late 60's before PC's) term papers and graduate thesis for other students on campus. She would get so frustrated when doing one of these jobs for someone who's first language was NOT English, particularly if it was someone from Asia or India, as they would consistently misuse, or more often it seems, NOT use the word 'the' at all.
John R. Baker, P.E.
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Should be as before, "None of them use"... Omit "of them" which is superfluous, leaving the crux of the sentence as "None use".
And to the OP, the original sentence should read "Phantom lines indicate the outline of the part after machining.".
Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
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MACHINE INDICATED THREADS IN ACCORDANCE WITH MIL-S-7742D.
does not convey any more than
MIL-S-7742D THREAD
Seems to me that as long as the reader does not over-think the possible meanings the correct intent emerges right off the bat. From the OP note variations I would go with this wording:
PHANTOM LINES INDICATE PART OUTLINE AFTER MACHINING
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