How can you possibly claim that you "...disagree with their goals" when you had just bragged that your "...projects have lowered energy consumption by something on the order of 40 MW, with an average life of 20 years you get 7 million MW-hr"? I can understand you not agreeing with their "tactics" or their "solutions", and perhaps even their "science" (although I suspect that they would argue that it was NOT THIER SCIENCE, as science is science, whether one agrees with it or not). But to claim that you disagree with their "goals", that's just plain silliness.

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No it is not silliness at all. I was contracted by the API a couple of years ago to write the industry response to a new environmental regulation. As I read through thousands of pages of formal comments from the e-NGO's their Goals became very clear--punish industry. When faced with proposals that would actually increase VOC and BTEX in the atmosphere, every single e-NGO threatened lawsuits against the EPA if the proposals were removed from the law. This happened over ten times during that rule making. We would describe the effects on the environment of a particular part of the regulation and show why the regulation would result in a net increase garbage in the atmosphere (generally, there would have been a case study in Energy Star that showed in a very specific, very limited set of wells an action would reduce emissions, the EPA then put in regulatory language that required that action on every single well, even the 70% of the wells that would emit more VOC and BTEX under the proposal than without it, then the e-NGO's would threaten lawsuits when the EPA admitted they had made an error, at least ten times).

After reading thousands of pages of this garbage, I became convinced and remain convinced to this day that the agenda of the "green movement" is to punish industry and the e-NGO's could not care less about the environment. They are all about: (1) punishing industry; (2) raising money to sustain the life style of the e-NGO executives; and (3) name recognition to help increase fund raising. They are slime and I very much disagree with their goals.

I am not even going to pursue the "science is science" claim, it is just to sad to be funny.

David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering

"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"

If this is a language debate, I refuse to use words like "heterosexual" and "atheist". Both are examples of categorizing the norm. I suspect the opposite of "green" is similarly "normal".

- Steve

What I was hoping for was a language discussion. I didn't mean to take it beyond that.

David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering

"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"

Don't know if these terms are universal, but in the UK we have "greenfield" sites and "brownfield" sites. So maybe the opposite of green is brown.

- Steve

I would agree that 'brown' would be the most appropriate term.

Well, on the colour spectrum, the opposite of green is red.

On the environmental 'spectrum' the opposite could be a greyish-yellowish-brown .... the colour of smog.

I'm liking brown. Not flashy, just effective. "Red" already has way too much baggage and "greyish-yellowish-brown" doesn't roll off the tongue.

David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering

"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"

What about "responsible green" or "realistic green" or any other adjective that suits you?

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Maybe "Really Green"? Still implies having the staff driving a Prius and putting solar panels on the servant's quarters.

David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering

"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"

How about Olive? That's a brownish-green.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shades_of_gr... for an example for 40 shades of green. Maybe you could add another 10 and write a book.

50 shades of green....

trugreen? oh darn, it has been taken

I think "responsible" would be a proper term. By the wording, "shill" might also be applicable.

For those who believe Brown doesn't already have way too much baggage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_color

Uh-oh. Godwin's law cuts in already. A doomed thread.

- Steve

Sompting, not sure one can definitively state that 'atheist' is normal, assuming by normal you mean 'occurring naturally'?

All that green stuff eventually decays anyway, so yea, brown, hands down, but not in it.

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering

"So what do I call myself." ... how about "i was a good engineer ... i did the job i was asked, probably more; i put up with their cr@p, and probably more; ..."

do you really feel the need to dumb your career down to a colour ?? you need some time in the pub !

possibly you personal/political leanings are agreen (a la agnostic) ?

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Opposite of green is environmentalist.

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God that is true, cloa.

David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering

"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"

How about neerg, which is green backwards.

Other possibilities for consideration, in particular when referring to green chemistry:

Back to the OP:

Non-green folks and objects around our area are often given the moniker "piggy."

Big SUV with V8 engine = piggy car.
Efficient hybrid = green car.

Guy who floors the piggy car to get to the stop sign faster than you = piggy guy.
Guy who drives his hybrid in the most efficient way = green guy.

Church lit up with 200 kW of facade lighting all night (USD $80,000/year) = piggy church.
Church dark at night that spends $80,000/year caulking and insulating houses for the poor = green church.

Guy who grabs all the king crab legs at the buffet before you can get one = piggy guy
Guy who takes half the crab legs when he sees you waiting = nice guy [oops, off topic]

Best to you,

Goober Dave

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DRWeig...I'm with you about the crab legs!
Off with their heads!!!!!

OK, how about "Soylent Green".

Well, the literal interpretation is that red is the opposite of green.

http://www.tigercolor.com/color-lab/color-theory/i...

Q. What is the opposite of "Green"?
A. neerG

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RED

If you are offended by the things I say, imagine the stuff I hold back.

Cass, think positive: Magenta.

A.

My brother in the US has been driving a 4x4 SUV hybrid for the last 6 years. If a 4x4 SUV is not environmentally friendly and a hybrid is environmentally friendly, what is a 4x4 SUV hybrid? Is he partially green and partially brown? Yes, I know I have a strangely coloured brother but that is another story.

When I last mixed green and brown, I got a strange shade of brown. Does brown take precedence over green?

xwb, I've had the equivalent of three semesters of Color Theory (additive, subtractive, pigment and light) and for the almost the first time in decades, I can put this knowledge to use!

Mix all three primary colors to make brown. Depending on how you start determines the final result. Here's a really cute Wiki how with animation that gives you the idea.

How to mix brown

If you are offended by the things I say, imagine the stuff I hold back.

• http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Brown-from-Primary-Colors

I asked a woman one time, "what's the opposite of chauvinism?" Her reply, "there is none." The premise being there was a widespread cultural bias against women. It was (to her) the norm.

I'd think the word you are seeking is "responsible." 'Cause afterall, much of the green movement is irresponsible hyperbole (to me that is). Yes I do recycle.

f-d

¡papá gordo ain’t no madre flaca!

Pink.

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Taken.

David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering

"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"

Guy who drives his hybrid in the most efficient way = road rage victim.

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Not sure about that dgallup - from what I've seen a chuck of Prius drivers drive a Prius just so they can feel less guilt about their terrible driving habbits.

Not green = unindoctrinated.
And in support of efforts to stop the madness take a look at the Forbes article...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/08/06/a...

vini vidi fishi...or golfi.

Kenat - If you have ever been behind a line of traffic headed by some joker in a Prius practicing his hypermiling techniques you will experience what I mean. Granted, the Prius's running 80 MPH on the freeway are not out there saving gas.

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Prius/Hybrid drivers aren't the only ones doing that though, I know at least one VW diesel driver that does it. I routinely get stuck behind people doing 1/2 the speed limit on one of the roads here in Santa Barbara.

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And in support of efforts to stop the madness take a look at the Forbes article...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/08/06/a...

For those who don't want to read the article, here's a summary:

'Grumpy old man complains that things aren't done like they used to be, back in his day'

Another opinionated summary by another grumpy old man:

Our grandchildren are going to die of the effects of the incredible debt being created by the extremists so their great, great, great, great grandchildren will never find out how much of the current cycle of global warming is actually being caused by humans.

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correction
I meant to say "...so their never-to-exist great, great, great, great grandchildren..."

Design for RELIABILITY, manufacturability, and maintainability

Opposite of green is red.

And, I don't think there will ever be a theme color used to express the opposite of "being green". Look at the number of posts, there is no agreement on this.

You have your answer.

But it really isn't about the destination, it is all about the journey for me. I rarely care about an answer, I deeply care about the discussion.

David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering

"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"

From a very culinary pov the opposite of green should be meat (o:

saludos.
a.

abeltio,

Meat turns green if you leave it in the 'fridge long enough.

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JHG

In Physics of sub-atomic particles, if green is one of the colors of quarks, then anti-green is the opposite of green.

Hmmmmm, does a "reverse" or "anti" spectrum of light exist? The key to invisibility.

It is better to have enough ideas for some of them to be wrong, than to be always right by having no ideas at all.

In quantum chromodynamics (QCD) color is a "charge" effective at distances not greater than the size of an atom.
Colors can be negative. For example, "anti-green" is simply a negative green color "charge" carried by an anti-quark.

Drawoh,

Thank you for corroborating my postulate!
If you leave the meat in the fridge long enough to turn green, it's because you are green as well: no self respected carnivore will leave red meat in the fridge long enough to turn green, not even a pale red.
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saludos.
a.

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does a "reverse" or "anti" spectrum of light exist?

Sure. Spectra are double-sided: positive and negative frequencies. For a real signal, the negatives are simply complex conjugates of the positives.

- Steve

Use a different language. In the Gaelic tongues brown is Donn - pronounced Done. Possibly significant. Hey we've been using pigeon Latin for years. :)

It's not "pigeon Latin" but rather "Pig Latin"

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
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To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

Ethanol, anyone?


http://bigstory.ap.org/topic/ethanol

Jay Maechtlen
http://www.laserpubs.com/techcomm

According to Dictionary.com

Blue (adj) 15. holding or offering little hope; dismal; bleak.

(A bit unfair to the OP, who was actually making a fair point about which changes are significant and which just posturing - but I couldn't resist the temptation).

A.

Opposite of green, easy, it's my exhaust pipes doing this: http://goo.gl/kneVf7

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- Gian

Sorry to come back to this one after so long, but the word you're looking for is probably "experienced"

A.

I think it takes two words, "common sense".