×
INTELLIGENT WORK FORUMS
FOR ENGINEERING PROFESSIONALS

Contact US

Log In

Come Join Us!

Are you an
Engineering professional?
Join Eng-Tips Forums!
  • Talk With Other Members
  • Be Notified Of Responses
    To Your Posts
  • Keyword Search
  • One-Click Access To Your
    Favorite Forums
  • Automated Signatures
    On Your Posts
  • Best Of All, It's Free!

*Eng-Tips's functionality depends on members receiving e-mail. By joining you are opting in to receive e-mail.

Posting Guidelines

Promoting, selling, recruiting, coursework and thesis posting is forbidden.

Students Click Here

Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement
2

Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement

Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement

(OP)
Hello everyone.

Our project requires subbase courses to be compacted to not less than 100% standard compaction. The contractor's compaction report submits a test report as Hilf density ratio being 102%. Can this be intepreted as compliant having exceeded the requirement by 2%? So for subgrade compaction requirement of 97%, the same interpretation applies.

Thanks for replying.

RE: Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement

The Hilf method is a rapid determination which may vary from the standard method because of moisture content variations. I would require that the laboratory comply with the project specifications and perform the test in accordance with such specifications.

RE: Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement

(OP)
Thanks for the response Ron.

Does that mean, the contractor used a different method of compaction testing? Is there a way of converting the 102% to standard compaction so I can check how much percentage achieved against the 100% standard compaction requirement.

RE: Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement

The contractor's lab used a different method to determine the "standard" laboratory compaction. This method, though based on the Proctor method of determining the moisture-density relationship, is not the "standard" method of determining such a relationship and can present a difference in the comparision standard. For that reason, you could be comparing "apples and oranges", though the differences would likely be small. Unfortunately the small difference could mean the difference between passing and failing.

RE: Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement

(OP)
Last one Ron. I've come across this practice before. What is the reason behind. Is it cheaper? Quicker?

RE: Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement

Both!

RE: Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement

(OP)
Thanks Ron.

Hats off!

RE: Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement

Hilf Method is good for quick checking, used in addition to 'the Standard or Specified' method. I use it for fills that are going in quickly and questionable areas could be buried by the time x-checks are completed. Also good to identify minor changes in borrow material, which may involve changes of 1-3 lbs (oftentimes the difference between in or out of spec).
Like the entire practice of Engineering, knowing when something is being used or misused vital.

RE: Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement

(OP)
Thanks emmgjld. When you say it is used for quick checking and used in addition to Standard compaction, does that mean, the result cannot be accepted as official if used as stand alone reference of compaction test outcome? How much margin of error are we expecting if we compare these results to Standard compaction test?

RE: Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement

"does that mean, the result cannot be accepted as official if used as stand alone reference of compaction test outcome?" If the project specifications do not mention the test - It can't be official. My use of non-standard methods for checking or verifying are just that, a means of checking or verifying.
"How much margin of error are we expecting if we compare these results to Standard compaction test?" performed properly the Hilf method can be very similar to the Standard test. My experience, with soils in my area have been favorable.

RE: Hilf density ratio report vs SDD requirement

(OP)
Thanks emmgjld. Big help.

Red Flag This Post

Please let us know here why this post is inappropriate. Reasons such as off-topic, duplicates, flames, illegal, vulgar, or students posting their homework.

Red Flag Submitted

Thank you for helping keep Eng-Tips Forums free from inappropriate posts.
The Eng-Tips staff will check this out and take appropriate action.

Reply To This Thread

Posting in the Eng-Tips forums is a member-only feature.

Click Here to join Eng-Tips and talk with other members! Already a Member? Login


Resources

Low-Volume Rapid Injection Molding With 3D Printed Molds
Learn methods and guidelines for using stereolithography (SLA) 3D printed molds in the injection molding process to lower costs and lead time. Discover how this hybrid manufacturing process enables on-demand mold fabrication to quickly produce small batches of thermoplastic parts. Download Now
Design for Additive Manufacturing (DfAM)
Examine how the principles of DfAM upend many of the long-standing rules around manufacturability - allowing engineers and designers to place a part’s function at the center of their design considerations. Download Now
Taking Control of Engineering Documents
This ebook covers tips for creating and managing workflows, security best practices and protection of intellectual property, Cloud vs. on-premise software solutions, CAD file management, compliance, and more. Download Now