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I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

(OP)
Picked up a Chevy Volt brochure today and found in it this quote from an owner:

"We're going to plug into solar, power up the Volt at night, and then be able to use it during the day basically on sunlight alone."

Well, OK.

Regards,

Mike

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

Wow, the sun shines at night?

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

park it on the right incline in the Arctic and it may work in the summer. . ?

f-d

¡papá gordo ain’t no madre flaca!

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

Sun shines 24/7 in the summer in Vostok. I wonder if those batteries (and the driver's body) can handle the weather:

Vostok Weather

Be sure to check out the extended forecast and look at the projected wind chill on Monday next.

Best to you,

Goober Dave

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RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

One would logically assume they have some method of storing energy at home so they can recharge the car at night.

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

(OP)
Yes, one would, but no evidence one way or the other. Using a battery to charge a battery?

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

I wouldn't be surprised by anything done by the kind of person who would buy a Volt.

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

(OP)
TenPenny, you said that, not me:)

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

I suspect it's quite simple really:

Get solar panels installed on roof, and remain grid-connected (battery storage not typically required). Your roof generates power during daylight hours, and any excess above your immediate demand is "exported" to the grid, earning a higher tariff per kW.hr than you pay when you "import" electricity (because of the "Green Energy" credits). Charging the car at night is of course happening by "importing" electricity, but late-night-time tariffs are often lower than day-time tariffs.

Payback period will depend on the tariffs and incentives available in your area, but is probably not "economic" at current energy prices, and the premium you pay for an electric car compared to petrol or diesel - but in a decade or two, my guess is that we will ALL be doing something like this.

http://julianh72.blogspot.com

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

In the US (where I expect most Volts are sold/leased) you are lucky to get retail rates for the power you generate. Many states (like where I live), you sell your excess power to the the utility during the day at wholesale & buy it back at night at retail with no correction for time of day or on/off peak demand. No smart meters, only a different speed/kW depending on which way it is turning. Kind of kills any incentive to install solar. The smart grid ain't here yet.

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(OP)
dgallup, I'm sure if the utiities had a choice, they wouldn't buy at all. Not worth the trouble.

Regards,

Mike

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

Power is like water. It doesn't like to run uphill. For solar power to really be practical (as opposed to trendy), it needs to be part of the primary generation system.

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

Why not just attach a windmill to the roof and recharge the battery as you motor along? Should work at least as well as solar panels at night. Just ask Wil E, Coyote.

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

dgallup,

Not true. Most states have some sort of net metering law, where utilities can only charge for the net usage. Every kWh generated fully offsets one consumed if you meet the rules. http://www.irecusa.org/irec-programs/connecting-to....

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

Credited to customer's next bill at applicable time-of-use rate or less; granted to utility annually on June 1.

I think the "OR LESS" always applies, the "time-of-use rate" never applies as we don't have smart meters.

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RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

That applies to net excess generation, if the reverse kWh at for the month exceeds the forward kWh. This would not apply to most PV systems, since usage will generally exceed generation, and every kWh generated means one less purchased from the utility. South Carolina's net metering rule seems to allow room for utilities to handle the excess generation piece differently. Check with your utility.

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

Here in SoCal, you can get smart (enough) meters so you get time-of-day metering.
It is claimed that you can sell Solar in the afternoon at peak rates and your own usage is often in the evening when the rate is lower.

I know a couple of people with Volts, and they love the cars.
Charge them for free at public stations or with reduced-rate power at home (our tax dollars at work!) and buy gas very seldom.
<sigh>

I did rid in one of the Volts - very pleasant people mover

cheers
Jay

Jay Maechtlen
http://www.laserpubs.com/techcomm

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

(OP)
Never ridden in one, wouldn't know. I do know you can get 2 1/2 to 3 Corollas for what one Volt costs:)

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

And you could 3 to 4 Fred Flinstone cars for the price of a Corrolla, or about 15 coal burning Trabis.

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

You can also buy a dozen Yugo's and watch them rust away.

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

(OP)
urgross, BillPSU, true, but a Corolla is both available and worth owning:) A dozen Yugos of any condition will not be easy if even possible to locate. Trabis probably likewise, FF cars, who knows?

Regards,

Mike

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

For those who may have never seen one or perhaps even know what a 'Trabi' is (the actual name was 'Trabant'), here's a bit of trivia for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,2...

The joke in Germany, particularly after reunification, was than when coming up behind a Trabant on the autobahn, you could always smell it before you actually saw it.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

RE: I Wear My Sunglasses At Night

(OP)
JohnR, what a fun link. A Star for you:)

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