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# Pile Impact Force During Insertion into Pile Sleeve

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## Pile Impact Force During Insertion into Pile Sleeve

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We are considering the design of a subsea structure that will use pin piles for permanent foundations.

During the pile installation into the guide cone, assume the pile impacts onto the 'cone' plate of the guide.  A vertical and lateral impact force will result.

How is the initial impact force on the guide determined?

We have considered using energy equations, with the known mass of the pile, impact velocity (as a combination of the crane lowering velocity and the wave motions effects).

However, to determine the impact force we would need to know the impulse time.  I am not aware of any direction from a design code to determine this.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

### RE: Pile Impact Force During Insertion into Pile Sleeve

bouyant weight of pile x 2 in any direction you want.

From "BigInch's Extremely simple theory of everything."

### RE: Pile Impact Force During Insertion into Pile Sleeve

twice the pile weight laterally could result in a very large force for the bigger piles.

Another rule of thumb is 10% of the dry weight of the pil, bother vertically and laterally.

### RE: Pile Impact Force During Insertion into Pile Sleeve

maybe at 250 m depth.  At 50 meter depth, 10% might be pretty low.

What would you be doing, if you knew that you could not fail?

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