Min & Max velocity in pipes
Min & Max velocity in pipes
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Do we have a maximum velocity for liquids in pipes,for preventing noise or errosion?
Do we have a minimum velocity for liquids in pipes? In relation of which problem?
Thanks for all replies
Do we have a maximum velocity for liquids in pipes,for preventing noise or errosion?
Do we have a minimum velocity for liquids in pipes? In relation of which problem?
Thanks for all replies
RE: Min & Max velocity in pipes
For "dry gas" flow I use an actual velocity (as opposed to "velocity" calculated as SCF/FlowArea) of 100 ft/second or 15 psi/mile pressure drop as my upper design condition. Design capacity will be the lower of the SCF/day you get from 100 ft/sec or the SCF/day you get from 15 psi/mile pressure drop. That choice stays way below errosional velocities, won't slam a slug of water into plant-inlet pipeworks, and gives me a makeup compression Hp requirement I can live with.
All of the vertical flow correlations show a critical velocity (for keeping water mobile) around 36 ft/sec. I figure that if it works in vertical flow, it should be quite conservative in horizontal flow. I've been using 36 ft/s as a minimum design condition for about 7 years now and see considerably less liquid accumulation in the piping I designed than I see in the piping I inherited.
Hope this helps
David
RE: Min & Max velocity in pipes
The minimum velocity I design around is that which will provide reynolds numbers in the sufficiently enough in the turbulent range that I would not find Re's in the transition or worst yet, laminar flow regeims when the system is working.
I hope this helped..
Bob
RE: Min & Max velocity in pipes
Regarding maximum velocity for erosion would depend on type of liquid and duty- short duration operation or continuous operation.Obviously, if it is a short duration/cycle operation, a higher velocity could be used. For pump suction lines and liquid near its vaporization point, maximum velocities are limited.For noise and especially for control valve applications, talk to the control valve suppliers fot the maximum recommended velocity.
Hope this helps.
Arun
RE: Min & Max velocity in pipes
RE: Min & Max velocity in pipes
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RE: Min & Max velocity in pipes
Max water velocity to minimise erosion
Normal operation Velocity
hours per year m/s
1500 4.6
2000 4.4
3000 4.0
4000 3.7
6000 3.0
Same page also says "velocities on the order of 3 to 5m/s lie within the range of allowable noise levels for residential and commercial builings"
RE: Min & Max velocity in pipes
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RE: Min & Max velocity in pipes
q=7.3d^2.56*K^1.84 where K is the "fullness" fraction from 0.2 to 0.6, d is inner pipe diameter, in inches limited to 2 to 6 inch pipe and q is GPM. The equation came from a 1928 Purdue Univ. bulletin. I tried the equation on a much bigger pipe of 11.7 inch ID and ran the fraction up to 1.0. It didn't blow up and gave rather believable results for full flow. Has anybody got something better to calculate minimum flows for full horizontal pipes?
RE: Min & Max velocity in pipes
Regarding swing check valve pivot hardware degradation from too low flowrates to backseat, there's an obscure report that deals with the influence of upstream pipebends on valve disk dynamics. It's Kalsi etal (1988), "Prediction of Check Valve Performance and Degradation in Nuclear Power Plant Systems", Kalsi Eng. Rpt. #1559 (NUREG/CR-5159). Among the findings:
"At proximities of 3 to 5 pipe diameters, upstraem elbows require an increase in flow velocity over baseline of 10 or 15% to fully open the valve disk. Proximities of 0 to 1 diameter will require up to 50% higher flow velocity over baseline to fully open the disk, except for clearway designs which will require velocities more than 100% higher than baseline [clearway disks lift nearly totally out of the flowstream and may never achieve stability under some flow conditions]."
"The amplitude of disk motion which occurs before fully seating the disk increases as the flow disturbance is brought closer to the valve. The maximum disk fluctuations in the case of a severe turbulence source can reach as high as 16 degrees and, for elbows, up to 9 degrees. The reducers have negligible effect on disk fluctuations."
"The onset of tapping begins at lower flow velocities when the elbow is oriented up than when oriented down. This results in wider tapping zones for elbow-up installations compared to elbow-down. This is particularly evident at 0d and 1d and less so at 3d and 5d (d is upstream pipe diameter distance)."
Kalsi etal appear to be talking about single upstream bends. Multiple, closely spaced bends upstream of swing check valves could have considerably worse consequences.
RE: Min & Max velocity in pipes
Your formula is very useful,But "d" has dropped !!
And also give a small example with your formula.
Thanks
P.S. for full k=1 ?
RE: Min & Max velocity in pipes
ID(in.) K Q(GPM)
2 0.2 2.23
2 0.4 7.98
2 0.6 16.82
6 0.2 37.09
6 0.4 132.79
6 0.6 280.02
11.688 0.2 204.47
11.688 0.4 723.03
11.688 0.6 1543.60
11.688 0.8 2620.74
11.688 1.0 3951.28
The increased flows for 11.688 pipe at K=0.8 and 1.0 are part of a progression of step increases of approximately 500, 800, 1100 and 1300 GPM for 0.2K steps. The 0.8 and 1.0 K flowrates are "reasonable" though I can't say for sure that they are correct. The test results were apparently only run up to 0.6 and the author was reluctant to extraapolate any further.
RE: Min & Max velocity in pipes