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NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

(OP)

I plan to persue a Level I cert. in Water-Based Systems Layout (formerly Automatic Sprinkler Systems Layout).


My question is basically, what exact kind of experience do I need to meet this requirement:
      "A minimum of 6 months of technical experience with aspects of plan preparation for waterbased fire protection systems, including preparation and compiling of CAD drawings, including layout of sprinklers, and assisting in field surveys."

If I have experience as a PE where I showed every head on my plans and did preliminary hydraulic calcs (non-software based) and selected all hazards, do you think NICET would "count" that?

Additionally, if I spend 25% of my time as an AHJ pointing out screw ups on plans prepared by NICET III's and IV's would that carry any weight at all?

thanks

 

RE: NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

pipesnpumps

You have the easiest work experience requirement to be reviewed by NICET. Based on your posted information all you have to do is maintain a consistent pattern when you write your work experience on the application. Any deviation could result is a delay for approval. In my opinion you qualify for level II. This could allow for more time taking the test.  

RE: NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

(OP)

Thanks NJ1.  When you say "maintain a consistent pattern" do you mean I should state something similiar to what I said above, and they would likely accept me?   

Or do you mean everything I list on the application should be similiar and consistent with each other?




  

 

 

RE: NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

I mean that when you file for the application all percentages of work experience must maintain a pattern or they will audit you to confirm.
For Example:
5  % performing water based system surveys
10 % performing wet systems designs
10 % performing dry systems designs
10 % performing foam systems designs
10 % performing pre-action systems designs
10 % performing deluge systems designs
20 % performing water based systems hydraulic calculations
10 % performing water based systems hazard analysis
10 % performing system sales
5  % performing inspection testing and maintenance of water based systems

This information must maintain a pattern within all applications you file. Unless you decide to apply for a different sub-field you must keep all applications for systems layout accurate withing 5-10% of each task so it does not look suspicious.  

RE: NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

If you are a P.E., why are you seeking a NICET certification? I ask this because your original question stated:

If I have experience as a P.E...

If you're a P.E., I can't see where a NICET certification takes precedence over a P.E. license under NCEES rules and regulations.

RE: NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

Stookeyfpe
NICET certification does takes precedence over a P.E. if you are looking to obtain other state licenses. For example: If you would like to obtain a Fire Sprinkler License here in  New Jersey a P.E. will not be consider bottom line. I think it will give pipesnpumps more of an edge.

RE: NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

(OP)

It shows a different type of competency than a PE.

For example, I can't legally do my own hydraulic calcs and shop drawings.  Of course I can physically run the software, do the CAD, and complete the detailed layout.  However, a true NICET would still have to sign off on them in alot of states, and for most federal agencies.

I am looking at for self self improvement, a potential fallback plan, or towards some post-retirement part time work in about 20 years. It would be nice to have that kind of flexibility.   There are PEs on the board that do inspection, and are dual PE/NICET, but they make their money off being a NICET not a PE, because a PE can't do inspections in their state..  I wouldn't mind having a similar skill set.




 

RE: NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

pipesnpumps

That is a great way to put it. That kind of mentality is what everyone needs. Also a P.E. does not have any reciprocity advantages from state to state unlike NICET it is nationally.

RE: NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

A PE license does have comity between states usually, i.e. having a license in Texas one can get a license in Georgia et al by sending documents and, of course, a check.

RE: NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

Interesting. Thanks for the answer.

RE: NICET Level I - Work Experience Requirement

Stookey,

I have to agree with pipesnpumps on this one.  As a PE I am certain I would be looked at with the very same disdain that has been hashed and rehashed here on this and other forums.  But when I can also point to a NICET certification, it provides proof of an area of expertise, and typically gains additional respect from my fitters, designers and AHJ's

Fire Sprinklers Save Lives.
Can You Live Without Them?
 

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