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Water Based Level IV Major project write up

Water Based Level IV Major project write up

Water Based Level IV Major project write up

(OP)
I am eligble for my Level IV in Sprinklers and need some assistance in the write up.  Does anyone have a sample they wouldn't mind sharing?  I dont know where to start in writing one.

Thanks

Shawn Foor, CET

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

I no longer have mine.  It was lost with a hard drive failure.  All I did was just pick a recent project at the time that I completed and went with the following format, if I recall correctly:

1 - overall project description (e.g. distribution facility)
2 - System design criteria (e.g. storage / racking / etc / sprinkler selection)
3 - Site fire line description (e.g. 10" loop around building feeding 6 laterals into the building)
4 - Description of fire sprinkler systems (e.g. # of systems, sprinklers per system, general system sizing)
5 - special design considerations in the system (e.g. owner or ahj specific requirements)
6 - Submittal / Permitting process (e.g. AHJ, FM, issues with review process & how resolved)
7 - Issues / problems during installation and how resolved
8 - My overall role in the project (e.g. design / project management / etc..)

I think my write up was several pages.  If I recall correctly, it was 4-5 pages when all was said and done.

Travis Mack
MFP Design, LLC
www.mfpdesign.com
 

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

DID YOU HAD TO SUBMIT ANY DRAWINGS. I AM LEVEL II WITH 15-17 MORE ELEMENTS TO GO FOR LEVEL IV

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

I did not have to submit any plans.  Just a writing project is all this was.

Travis Mack
MFP Design, LLC
www.mfpdesign.com
 

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

So basically the hardest part is passing the elements rather than writing the project. I hope to pass all remainder elements before end of year.  

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

I think you can find a great deal of valuable information in the original proposal used to bid the job.  The proposal usually contain scope of work, project understanding/descriptions, etc.  So check there for info.

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

NJ1:

The way I viewed it was that the write up was just to show that you had a project where you were the responsible person for the project.  I believe that the SET designation implies that one should be able work independently (within the bounds of NICET policies) and take charge of major projects.  It only needs to be a summary of a major project where you were the main guy on the layout side of the project.

Travis Mack
MFP Design, LLC
www.mfpdesign.com
 

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

I still have a copy of mine, will scan and post a link later this evening.

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

By the way does anyone has a PDF copy of NFPA 25 and 13?

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

You can buy a PDF copy of 13 and 25 direct from NFPA's website.

Travis Mack
MFP Design, LLC
www.mfpdesign.com
 

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

I know i have the hard copies but i would like pdf for my technicians

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

You can buy a PDF from NFPA's site.  I use the PDF regularly.  But, you have to buy a PDF for each machine it is to be used on, based on my understanding of their PDF security setup.

Travis Mack
MFP Design, LLC
www.mfpdesign.com
 

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

Getting back to the original conversation on this posting it is clear that we could use proposals, survey documents, etc and combined those in to a project that such individual has being involved. I will consider all projects I have done in the past and compile all information accordingly.
SpcFoor could do the same.  

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

I honestly thought the paper was the easiest part of the entire NICET process.  I don't think they are looking for a full thesis on some project.  It seems like it should be enough to show your role as the lead / supervising layout technician and details of the project.

Think back to Technical Writing classes in college.  Keep it concise and on track with the project.  It is pretty easy.  If you can pass advanced hydraulics, a simple writing project should be a walk in the park.

Travis Mack
MFP Design, LLC
www.mfpdesign.com
 

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

(OP)
You are right on Travis.  I tend to make things like this harder than they should be.  NJ1, the project must be recent within the past 3-4 years.  While I have done alot of systems in that time they have not been of the "large" kind.  More like 500 hds or less.  So I will more than likely use several different projects to make my write up.

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

Yeah but I do not think NICET specifies what is large. I have not seen any NICET documentation that indicates the amount of heads. 500 heads is a very nice size job vs 100 heads. In my case I do not install systems larger than 250 heads. You mean to tell me I wont be able to become level IV even if I pass all elements?
My understanding is that they want to see a project you have managed from beginning to end

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

NJ1, I believe you are correct.  There is nothing that sets a minimum size.  My project in particular was a 1.1M sq ft distribution center, but I don't see why a 250 head or 500 head project would not suffice either.  I think the principle is that you are managing the project within the confines of NICET policies and without direct supervision.

Travis Mack
MFP Design, LLC
www.mfpdesign.com
 

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

I remember having this conversation with Michael Clark several years back. He stated the same as you right now.  

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

(OP)
SprinklerDesigner2 have you had a chance to scan your letter?
I really appreciate it.

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

So far no luck, looked all through my NICET files and can not locate my write up.  Looks like I have everything but that.

I might have it yet on an old computer.  Will look again tonight.

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

To SpcFoor--I am not NICET certified in sprinklers (yet), but I am Level III in fire alarms.  I've applied for Level IV and met the testing and the major project write-up requirements.  I've attached one of my fire alarm project write-ups to give you an example of what NICET found to be acceptable.  I realize it's not a sprinkler project, but I hope it gives you an idea of how to do your submissions.

To NJ1--From the info I received from NICET, you do not have to have one huge project or a specific number of components/heads/detectors to meet the requirement.  You can have a bunch of small projects. Just make a separate paper for each of your projects and submit them as you finish them.  The write-ups will get added to your file and you should be fine as long as you can "show" you had a managerial role over the course of your projects.

Please let me know if you need additional info.  Good luck.

Shawn Lee

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

(OP)
Thank you very much Newsprinklerguy.  That helps out alot.

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

Overall it looks good to me, but I am a fire alarm guy, so take that with a grain of salt :)

On your write-up you wrote the plans were approved on 4 November 2011.  Was that supposed to be 4 November 2010?

Shawn Lee, CET
Fire Alarm Systems Level III
Sprinkler Newbie

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

(OP)
Yes should have been 2010

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

(OP)
I received my level iv certificate today.  Thank you all for your help.

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

Congrats on the accomplishment!

Travis Mack
MFP Design, LLC
www.mfpdesign.com
 

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

SpcFoor,

As usual I am late to the party, but CONGRATS just the same.  Great accomplishment.

Shawn Lee, CET
Fire Alarm Systems Level III
Sprinkler Newbie

RE: Water Based Level IV Major project write up

SpcFoor

I dont know who you are but I have to tell you
"You are no longer at the bar but in that actual dance floor"
if you know what I mean.
Congratulations and wish you the best.

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