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Doing the Right Thing

By NICET Board of Governor Wade R. Abbott, SET

A strange new opportunity is making its way through the NICET community. While the face of this opportunity beams with new experiences and financial gain, lurking behind the scene is a serious ethical dilemma ready to bite.

In alarmingly increasing numbers, NICET certificants across the country are being contacted by third parties promoting "consulting opportunities" where the certificant need only allow the companies these headhunters represent to utilize their name and NICET certification information to meet the requirements of state and local laws



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"certificant would not be required to provide project input, review designs or even relocate to the areas in question."


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We had an employee contacted by a former employee for this very reason just last week.
Luckily, he had enough sense and ethicalness to refuse.
He actually gained a little more respect from me.

If we all agreed, we would be Communists.- Me.

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We protect life and safety.  There is no way I could sleep at night knowing some carpetbagger is using my good name to do god knows what, much less that they are competent.


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I got an email on this by NICET. Can someone explain what is going on? I am lost

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Essentially the equivalent of a PE plan stamping blind. For example, here in Illinois to get a State Fire Marshall Fire Equipment License or Sprinkler Contractor License you need a PE or NICET LIII employee or owner.

So there are firms who are asking NICET certificants to basically on paper be the reponsible employee without any responsibility. They are out designing, drawing permits,inspecting,etc., and the "responsible employees" are basically just getting a check and not doing or seeing anything on the project.


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So basically they are asking NICET certificate holders to lease their certification without no responsibilities. At least they claim.
That is F_ _ _ing nuts. You must be stupid as a certificate holder to do so.  

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I know many people that does that. By the way I know people in NJ that are qualifiers but are not even involved in the day to day operations. Is sad that local governments are not enforcing such thing.  

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I view my certificate as being among the most valuable things I have.

Having the certificate is a doorway to good pay and job security which is something that needs to be protected.  As bad as things are if most any of us lost we could find something in a relative short period of time.  In a week or so, a month or two at most, most of us could find something with pay two to three times minimum wage and most likely benefits.

For some the job may require a move, maybe the job might be inspecting but the point I am making is it would be a job and fact is, based upon the NICET salary survey, most of us would turn up our noses at two to three times minimum wage.

Contrast our job hunt with some you may know, some with advanced degrees, that have spent over a year looking and would be ecstatic to find a job at double minimum wage.

People rubber stamping drawings damages the value and reputation of the certification and the industry in general.   

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This is why I like to cold-call the NICET on my plan reviews..  just to do a quick check-see, to find out if they did what the plans and calcs show they did.

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I would love to see the look in the face of those that you call smile  "Deer in the headlights" comes to mind.

Travis Mack
MFP Design, LLC

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After carefully reading this great posting I came to realize that at the end it is the certificate holder to make the last decision in reference to this matter. I just got off the phone with Michael Clark and I have to share with you guys that NICET will not take this matter lightly. Do not make such mistake since NICET certification would not be replace. Lets get together advise those that could be trapped by this offer.

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"Do not make such mistake since NICET certification would not be replaced."

Somewhere in the country something happened.  This is a warning shot across your bow by NICET and only an idiot wouldn't pay attention.

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It is a sad thought that someone would take the time and effort to get their NICET certification and then they risk it for a stupid act that basic common sense would tell you would be unethical.  

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