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Need for Aerospace M&P References

Need for Aerospace M&P References

Need for Aerospace M&P References

Folks... HELP!!!

Ever since I started doing aircraft accident investigations and materials failures [early 1980s] I have appreciated the part that Detail Design, Materials and Manufacturing Processes [M&P] and Failure Analysis play in aerospace. I have collected a hodge-podge of company documents, military and industry specs and handbooks…. and thru it all have found (1) great company reference text [proprietary] and (4) books that are VERY OLD [‘40s and 50s].. or are only “sorta close” to the subject... but have seen no CONCISE, DEFINITIVE and CURRENT [relatively new] text or handbooks on the subject of M&P for Aircraft and Aerospace Design.

What publications am I missing???? Is this a “book”, or series of "books" that needs to be written??? Does any one care about these subjects???

Folks… inform me of the reference materials YOU use on these subjects: TEXT-BOOKS, HANDBOOKS, SPECS, PAPERS, ETC…

Regards, Wil Taylor

RE: Need for Aerospace M&P References

Sorry i cannot help you with books, but i would love to know what qualification you need to become an accident investigator. This i see would be a good career move, but i am unsure if its more engineer based, metallurgy based or possibly even forensic based,

RE: Need for Aerospace M&P References

NASA is currently working on a M&P handbook for spacecraft systems. This handbook deals with materials selection, control, and processes and therefore covers topics that may not be of general interest. Material issues such as hydrogen embrittlement, stress corrosion, vacuum exposure effects, etc. are covered. I would expect the handbook to be published in the next year or so.


RE: Need for Aerospace M&P References


Ref my accident investigation experience: It's too a long story. NOTE: all my experience was as supporting engineer [structural and mechanical] for USAF "Class A, B, C and HAP MISHAPs" on T-37, A-37, O-2, OV-10, HH-3, F-15, F-16, KC-135... with a sprinkle of other acft "just because I was there". These experiences have been some of the most  professionally rewarding, challenging and "educational" of my career... not to mention the most "exhausting", "eye-opening" and "horrific" of experiences. I would loved to have persued a career as an engineering investigator... but the (11) Class A Mishap [and dozens of minor mishap] Investigations I participated-in were severely draining on my health and marriage... You eat-breath-sleep-and-dream the "stuff" for several weeks/months at a time... with VERY little personal/family time due to the critical nature of the "beast"... and my wife said "choose" me or IT!!!!

Ref skill required for aircraft accident investigation: It depends. Specialties in-lab/office and out-in-the-field are necessary... but a base-line of common training is mandatory, so everyone understands how the various investigations "flow". Particularly important engineering and technical specialties I can think of are: Primary Field investigator, Aviator/pilot/crewman, structures, mechanical systems, electrical/avionic systems, instrumentation, engines [and props A/R], maintenance, egress systems [military], ATC, weather forcaster, MD, Physcologist, Physiologist, failure and equipment analysts [lab], etc...

If You are really interested in this career field, then check out the following websites for air safety investigators:

"International Air Safety Investigator's Association"


Australian Society of Air Safety Investigators

UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch

Air Force Safety Center

For Photos of air Disasters...


Regards, Wil Taylor

RE: Need for Aerospace M&P References

thank you for the information WKTAYLOR, im away to look up those site right now

RE: Need for Aerospace M&P References

Yes, you are right, there is no book available on aerospace M & P as yet. I saw this thread today (July 29) but I had drawn a synopsis of a course on Aerospace M & P several weeks ago which I want to teach at various Universities. I do not know if some one would be interested in it. I worked on International Space Station project in 1995 and am familiar with NASA M & P handbook; but it is not what you are looking. I wish I could be more helpful.
Dr. M. Haleem Khan;

RE: Need for Aerospace M&P References


Surprisingly, as I have discovered over that last year+, You are very correct. Although I have access to many company documents and "aging" aeronautical M&P texts... nothing is "complete", "current", "concise" and "educative".

It is a "Handbook that needs to be written" and kept up-to-date. I am seriously thinking of doing this... if I can my convince company, and my wife, to let me.

Ref The NASA M&P Handbook You mentioned: what is the # and title of the document???

Regards, Wil Taylor

Regards, Wil Taylor

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