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gear transmission eigenfrequency calculation

gear transmission eigenfrequency calculation

(OP)
Dear Engineers,
I'd like to perform an estimation of the gear transmission eigenfrequency. Does somebody know about some useful algorithm for such analysis or a standalone program?

Thank you.
Dima

RE: gear transmission eigenfrequency calculation

DimaC1974,

I believe any decent FEA application (like NASTRAN) will easily give you the various structural frequencies of your system's individual parts, such as gear bodies, shafts or housings.  Getting the system frequencies is a little more complex, as the contact effects of things like bearing rollers and gear tooth meshes must be simulated with spring elements transmitting forces between the parts.  I don't have much experience with NASTRAN, but I believe the best type of element for simulating contact is called a "pbush".  The pbush spring rates can be made soft in all of the DOF's except compression, which should give a good simulation of the contacts between gear teeth, and bearing rolling elements and raceways.

You also might try posting your question on the NASTRAN forum.  They have some sharp posters over there.

Good luck.
Terry

RE: gear transmission eigenfrequency calculation

(OP)
Thank you Terry. I'll post the question on the NASTRAN forum, but as the solution, NASTRAN, I believe, may be very expensive for me. I thought to find some analytical algorithm to estimate a rough values of eigenfrequency and than according to the result to decide if I need to perform more complex calculations and analysis. I'm working with SolidWorks and it has possibility for modal analysis of parts, but I'm not sure regarding a whole system. I think a biggest problem will be in a backlash simulation (if this  is possible at all). It is interesting to know how engineers that designing gearboxes make such analysis?

RE: gear transmission eigenfrequency calculation

DimaC1974,

I design high-speed aircraft gear trains, and the (NASTRAN) method I described to you is what we use.  Performing an accurate system modal analysis for a complete transmission  requires lots of DOF's, which means lots of calculations.  NASTRAN is the only application that I know of that can handle such a complex analysis, but as I said I'm just a novice with FEA.

As for the mathematics that NASTRAN uses to derive these solutions, they can be obtained from any decent textbook.  The difficult part is writing the code that allows your computer's processor to perform the numerous calculations in an accurate and timely manner.  And that's why people pay big bucks for a NASTRAN license.

I'm assuming that since you're after eigenfrequencies in a gear train, you want to check for load effects caused by coupling of structural modes due to meshing frequencies. A static FEA analysis will only provide part of the answer though.  Besides torsional vibration effects, dynamic gear tooth loads also can be significantly increased due to profile and index geometry errors, high pitch line velocities, or low contact ratios.  In fact, gear tooth geometry errors can result in dynamic load factors much greater than torsional vibrations produce.

Since your parts are modeled in SolidWorks, the most compatible FEA application is probably Geostar.  Geostar is relatively inexpensive (at least as far as FEA applications go), and it will give you the various structural frequencies of individual parts, provided the mesh is not too complex.  But I don't think that Geostar has the capacity to do an analysis with a large number of elements or DOF's that a full transmission system would require.  I might be mistaken, so check it out yourself:

http://www.cosmosm.com/pages/products/cosmosdesignstar.html

Good luck.
Terry

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