Drawing Lists

awood · Jun 11, 2009

Hi All.

We have a document relating to each assembly and sub-assembly of a product; namely the 'Drawing List'. It simply details the revision of each drawing pertaining to that assembly.

When a drawing (part drawing, circuit diagram, parts list etc.) is revised, the relevant Drawing List is also updated once changes have been incorporated to reflect build standard.

Previously drawing lists have also detailed the revision of sub-assembly drawing lists. As one can imagine, in assemblies with many levels, this causes an undesireable and time-consuming revision roll all the way to the top level.

The Def-Stan we work to now suggests that the revision of sub-assembly drawing lists need not be detailed, but just referenced as 'latest issue' to avoid revision rolling.

To put the above in context with an example; one of our recent developments had been produced to revision A (top level drawing list revision). We have since had a design review and made modifications to a sub-assembly called up on that drawing list; the sub-assembly revision is now B; however, because no drawings on the top level have changed, the top level is still at revision A because the sub-assembly is now only referenced as latest issue. Therefore any more units produced should in theory still be produced to build standard A, though in reality they will be different from the previous units truly produced at build standard A before the design changes.

Of course, one can update the top level drawing list knowing that changes have been incorporated; but this relies on the individual and not the CM system. Previously, a revision was effectively forced - now it seems out of the loop so to speak.

If someone has worked with a system like such, how has one put this into practice and ensured that the drawing list of assemblies does reflect the actual physical unit? Perhaps I am overlooking something or have misunderstood.

We complained about the previous method with the revision rolling, but I am left questioning the practicalities of this new one!

Thanks in advance!

KENAT · Jun 11, 2009

I used to work the same system in the UK.

Fundamentally it relies on strict use of true revisions.

A change is only a revision if it is fully backward and forward compatible, i.e. completely interchangeable regardless of revision.

Any change that needs to be tracked for any reason should be a new part number and require a 714/715 form or something like that as I recall.

I can't remember where this is fully defined in the Def Stans or BS standards. In the US it's nicely detailed in ASME Y14.100.

However, people allways tend to play fast and lose, especially in development stages. You really have to be carefull of this to make the 'latest issue' approach work.

By the way, we were using 'latest issue' back 10 years ago or so.

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KENAT · Jun 11, 2009

Another thought. We only had drawing lists for high level assy's or sub assy's that were spared. Effectively only Drawing lists for assemblies that could be purchased as such or something like that.

Lower level sub assy's did not have drawing lists, only item lists. The drawings were listed on the higher drawing list.

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ptruitt · Jun 25, 2009

I was responsible for updating drawing lists in my last job. I used MS Access to generate them quickly. What a pain, though. As I recall, you can get by with less headache if you have an in-house DER who has the confidence of the MIDO. Without the that, you will need to submit the dreaded 'list' every time you turn around.

KENAT · Jul 6, 2009

Ptruit, a UK defense 'Drawing List' isn't quite the same as the ASME near equivalent.

The Drawing list must be provided for every 'major' assembly and kept up to date.

Also, due to format issues, we could never get a non CAD system to do it properly, might be possible though.

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awood · Sep 2, 2009

Hi guys.

Thanks for your input. I expected you to be in on this one right away KENAT; I had gathered from some of your previous posts you have had experience within the UK in Defence.

We have tended to be selective with the latest issue approach prior to my joining the department and only used it for certain documents.

The idea of having drawing lists only for purchased items seems practical and one that I may promote.

Thanks again!

KENAT · Sep 2, 2009

awood, I can't remember the details, or if it was properly detailed in a Def-Stan but it seemed we mostly had Drawing Lists for either the General Assembly [top level assy for anyone not familiar with the term, which of course also had an MRI (Master Record Index)] or for assemblies that could be bought individually, either because they were 'spares' or it was a customer assembled item.

However, I mostly worked on airborne stuff for the then ALM IPT. Some of the naval stuff and maybe army stuff may have done things slightly differently, I didn't work them as much. Even different offices in the same service branch had differences.

I can't recall for sure, but I think that on MRI's you did list the rev of the Drawing Lists but I'm really not sure anymore.

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