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# Mottoes23

## Mottoes

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Further to catchphrases, does anyone have a favourite motto?  Mine belongs to Faber College of "Animal House", -"knowledge is good".
Regards,
Bill

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Mine, for most things internet, is my tag line.  I do like the guy on here that has one that goes something like, "A friend will bail you out of jail.  A good friend will be sitting next to you saying, 'That was fun!'"

A couple of sites that have some pretty sophmoric T-Shirt phrases:

www.mentalfloss.com/store/home.php?cat=103

If you "heard" it on the internet, it's guilty until proven innocent. - DCS

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I once had a colleague who used to say: "So much to drink.  So little time.  Only one mouth."

- Steve

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I realize that I am a little frank - so I like to say "if you don't want to know the emperor is naked, don't ask me."

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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy...?

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... but too many a "bottle in front", often has the same effect.

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f-d

¡papá gordo ain't no madre flaca!

Ivy Mike,

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"Whatever's hard is never easy."

Mikee '66

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering

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$#!t happens ### RE: Mottoes "The difficult we do immediately. The impossible takes a bit longer." old field guy ### RE: Mottoes If you didn't wanted it fixed, you shouldn't have asked. BTW, thanks swearingen :) <<A good friend will bail you out of jail, but a true friend will be sitting beside you saying " Damn that was fun!" - Unknown>> ### RE: Mottoes #### Quote: A friend will bail you out of jail. A good friend will be sitting next to you saying, 'That was fun! swearingen, An acquaintance of mine does consulting work for our city's homicide squad. They gave him a tee shirt with the following legend... "Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies." JHG ### RE: Mottoes From an old engineering guy: If in doubt, make is stout. Tobalcane "If you avoid failure, you also avoid success." ### RE: Mottoes One I like: You're only immortal for a limited time. And another: IF YOU TELL THE TRUTH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMEMBER ANYTHING ### RE: Mottoes Twoballcane - from another thread, I've seen your motto as 'When in doubt, make it stout, out of stuff you know about' Say what you mean. Mean what you think. Think anything. ### RE: Mottoes the most important thing in forming relationships is sincerity; once you learn to fake that, you've got it made. ### RE: Mottoes Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice. Amateurs practice until they get it right, proffesionals practice till they cant get it wrong. (both stolen from the Live Audio Forums) Nick I love materials science! ### RE: Mottoes One to which many of you can likely relate; I know that I've been using it more and more of late. "The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy." The author of this quote is listed as Anonymous in my Civilizaton IV game; also attributed to Oscar Wilde at Wikipedia. Cheers, CanuckMiner ### RE: Mottoes 2 NickE: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." Heh. To try to keep myself sane, I keep telling myself never to attribute to malice that which can be attributed to simple stupidity. Hg Eng-Tips policies: FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies ### RE: Mottoes see below "In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics." Homer Simpson ### RE: Mottoes From a metallurgist... It Depends! ### RE: Mottoes Check everything twice, machine it once! Trevor Clarke. (R & D) Scientific Instruments.Somerset. UK SW2007x64 SP3.0 Pentium P4 3.6Ghz, 4Gb Ram ATI FireGL V7100 Driver: 8.323.0.0 SW2007x32 SP4.0 Pentium P4 3.6Ghz, 2Gb Ram NVIDIA Quadro FX 500 Driver: 6.14.10.7756 ### RE: Mottoes "caution and chicken broths never did harm" luismarques ### RE: Mottoes Don't try taking chicken broth when you have chicken pox - it gets worse! ### RE: Mottoes same with beef broth and cowpox, and with monkey broth and monkey pox... wierd, eh? ### RE: Mottoes don't get me wrong, though, there's still no wrong way to eat a rhesus. ### RE: Mottoes Yeah, I thought that Mental Floss shirt was pretty funny too... If you "heard" it on the internet, it's guilty until proven innocent. - DCS ### RE: Mottoes Be clever; if you can't be clever be careful. luismarques ### RE: Mottoes Rain in November for sure we will have Christmas in December luis ### RE: Mottoes "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who do not believe, no proof is possible." Stuart Chase "Informed decision-making comes from a long tradition of guessing and then blaming others for inadequate results." Scott Adams "When choosing between two evils, I always like to choose the one I've never tried before." Mae West "Laughing at our mistakes can lengthen our own life. Laughing at someone else's can shorten it." Cullen Hightower "If you are going to walk on thin ice, you might as well dance!" ### RE: Mottoes Cass, I have always like your sign-off and it makes a great motto. My Dad's motto.... You only end up fooling yourself when you try to be too clever. Kevin "It is a mathematical fact that fifty percent of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class." ~Author Unknown "If two wrongs don't make a right, try three." ~Author Unknown ### RE: Mottoes Actually for years I thought my Dad's motto was 'Kev, have you ever noticed that you are the common denominator to all my troubles' Sigh! Kevin "It is a mathematical fact that fifty percent of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class." ~Author Unknown "If two wrongs don't make a right, try three." ~Author Unknown ### RE: Mottoes A burned cat has afraid of cold water ### RE: Mottoes One of our old directors had a plaque on his wall that said: "Diesel smoke makes me horny." - Steve ### RE: Mottoes It makes me exhausted. ### RE: Mottoes Peter principle "In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence." ### RE: Mottoes 3 "The universe doesn't care what you believe." - Gore Vidal (I think) ### RE: Mottoes 0707, Lawrence Peter also states "Incompetence is in the eye of the beholder.". I think this negates everything else in his book. JHG ### RE: Mottoes hi drawoh Incompetent individuals are less able to recognize competence in others,'' Thomas Jefferson's asserted that he who knows best knows how little he knows.'' Or Socrates who said "I only know that I know nothing" Incompetence is the incapacity to delegate. luis ### RE: Mottoes I've printed a copy and left it anonymously on the desk of a coworker... let ya know how it goes. ### RE: Mottoes I wish I had the nerve to do that. Everyone would know it came from me, though. I'm the only one around here who might possibly be reading psychology papers and using big words. (Being a redneck is a badge of honor in this place, and those who aren't pretend they are.) Hg Eng-Tips policies: FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies ### RE: Mottoes (OP) Strive for mediocrity! ### RE: Mottoes Our "internal rally cry" is: PERFORMANCE = SUCCESS No mention of if they mean good or bad performance. KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet... ### RE: Mottoes the beauty of that paper is that you can drop it on anyone's desk and they'll assume you're talking about someone else. The guy I dropped it on was busy telling his cubemate "this is so true - I know so many people who have no idea how bad they are" when I came by to check up on things. ### RE: Mottoes If only I could forward the responses I got when I sent this around. Pass me a razor. Cheers Greg Locock SIG:Please see FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies for tips on how to make the best use of Eng-Tips. ### RE: Mottoes Interesting paper MintJulep. Patricia Lougheed Please see FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies for tips on how to make the best use of the Eng-Tips Forums. ### RE: Mottoes The study is a very interesting read, but there was one aspect that jumped out at me that raised my skeptic hairs. It was the magical 'training packet' containing "techniques for testing the veracity of logical syllogisms" that the authors gave to a portions of the participants that, IN 10 MINUTES,transformed them from the incompetent to the competent. I wanna know exactly what was in that test packet and how many of those incompetents knew the definition of 'veracity' and 'syllogism'. "If you are going to walk on thin ice, you might as well dance!" ### RE: Mottoes "From an old engineering guy: If in doubt, make it stout." Yes, this is a complete philosophy, and a good one -- if you don't know what to order in a pub, order a stout. But is somewhat contrary structural engineering advice to Kelly Johnson's admonishment to his aeronautical engineers: "simplificate and add lightness". I think he borrowed that one from an earlier aero type (Wright? Icarus' dad?) ### RE: Mottoes "He who hasn't made a mistake, hasn't made anything." "They are all interchangeable, but don't mix them up." The last was a true quote from one of my employees !! (now ex-employee) Ross ### RE: Mottoes Have a nice day, unless you have other plans! ### RE: Mottoes Popular on clothing a few years back (early 90's): "Second place is the First loser." "Art without engineering is dreaming; Engineering without art is calculating." Have you read FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies to make the be ### RE: Mottoes The grass is always greener on the other side, until you look down and see the dirt. Believe it if you need it or leave it if you dare. - Robert Hunter ### RE: Mottoes "If your gonna be a bum, be the king of the bums because you should always be the best at what you be." Mr. Kinkle - one of my shop instructors in high school ### RE: Mottoes I use this to tease my wife... "Women marry men hoping they will change, but they don't. Men marry women hoping they will not change, but they do".. Disclaimer (in case she reads it). I am not chauvinist and I have a gorgeous mother of two for a wife! It's all in good fun <<A good friend will bail you out of jail, but a true friend will be sitting beside you saying " Damn that was fun!" - Unknown>> ### RE: Mottoes Couple of ones that run into each other.... "If in doubt, find a scapegoat. If caught find an alibi. If convicted, don't be the one to find the bar of soap" Kevin "It is a mathematical fact that fifty percent of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class." ~Author Unknown "If two wrongs don't make a right, try three." ~Author Unknown ### RE: Mottoes Life is a tragedy for those who feel and a comedy for those who think. ### RE: Mottoes "The sky is full of stars that don't exist anymore." luismarques ### RE: Mottoes QED (Quad Erat Demonstratum) Kevin "It is a mathematical fact that fifty percent of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class." ~Author Unknown "If two wrongs don't make a right, try three." ~Author Unknown ### RE: Mottoes And another from a previous boss..... (and a very strong Six Sigma regime) 'Kevin, take a look at a dollar bill and what does it say. In God we trust, but Kevin for everything else you need data.' Kevin "It is a mathematical fact that fifty percent of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class." ~Author Unknown "If two wrongs don't make a right, try three." ~Author Unknown ### RE: Mottoes From my former boss: "A problem postponed is a problem half solved." - Steve ### RE: Mottoes I'm not a Ronald Reagan fan, but I've been using one of his quotes a lot lately in inspection contexts: "Trust, but verify." And there's a sign on the wall in our lab: "One test is worth a thousand expert opinions." Hg Eng-Tips policies: FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies ### RE: Mottoes Do you ever wonder about those people who spend$2.00 a piece on those little bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards.

<<A good friend will bail you out of jail, but a true friend
will be sitting beside you saying " Damn that was fun!" - Unknown>>

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I prefer Reknolp water myself.

- Steve

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I prefer beer myself.

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - Benjamin Franklin

Mike

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Mike, I quite literally have the T-shirt.  In fact I have 2.  The first got a bit tatty so the Mrs brought me another.  Now I have one to wear out & about (where I always get lots of positive comments) and one to sleep in.

"People do not do what you expect, people do what you inspect" or something like that.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

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"Why do today what can be put off till tomorrow"

Not sure that some of these are motoes as such though.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

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(OP)
Thanks for pointing that out KENAT, in fact most postings are sayings or proverbs.

The SAS motto is a beauty, "Who dares wins", or in the case of the Italian equivalent "Who cares who wins". heh, heh.

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Actually Bill, I've been led to believe that's the sign above the bar at Bradbury Lines 'cept it supposedly goes "Who cares who wins, hic".

"We're here for a good time, not a long time"

"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit "

Or while I'm at it:

"Illegitimi non carborundum"

(I usually fing gratuitous posting of Latin Pretentious but I guess the mood caught me.)

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

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yeah, well what's a motto with you?

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"We're here for a good time, not a long time"

I've always liked that one, especially when it was the basis of an SF story, where, to spoil the story, humans were regarded as very inventive and creative but shortlived people, individually, by all the aliens. Another SF story once considered whether you should give people a choice at the age of 20 - either live unaged until 60 and then die immediately, or age naturally until whatever. A very good friend suggested that we should kill all those who chose the latter path. I no longer agree with her.

Cheers

Greg Locock

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While this may seem somewhat commercial, I have always liked the Nike slogan, "Just Do It".  The key to success distilled into two words.  I often think of it when I catch myself procratinating.

Believe it if you need it or leave it if you dare. - Robert Hunter

However, Prior Preparation and Planning Prevents Pi$$Poor Performance. The seven Ps, just doing it without peeing 7 times can be an error. The key as ever is balance. KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet... ### RE: Mottoes I need some coffee... What I meant to post was "...The key to success distilled into three words. I often think of it when I catch myself procrastinating." Believe it if you need it or leave it if you dare. - Robert Hunter ### RE: Mottoes I liked two: The US Army's "Be all you can be." and Castrol's "Liquid Engineering." though in retrospect, "Liquid for engineering" is obviously that favoured by Mike 17650. ### RE: Mottoes How about this procrastinator motto: "The Quicker you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up." JR97 ### RE: Mottoes The work load will always expand to fill the time available. ### RE: Mottoes Alternative SAS motto: "Who shoots, kills" - Steve ### RE: Mottoes Another procrastinator one: "Procrastinators unite tomorrow!" If you "heard" it on the internet, it's guilty until proven innocent. - DCS ### RE: Mottoes He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. - Douglas Adams its not a motto but its what I do (scary huh?) ### RE: Mottoes If you are going to be DUMB... you have to be tough My boys love this one ### RE: Mottoes Trust... but verify! The best way to test something is to squeeze it, slowly, until it breaks! ### RE: Mottoes In the end it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years. (Abe Lincoln ?) - or - Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. (??) ### RE: Mottoes Er, who came first, Abe Lincoln or a certain Holywood actress who used to say: "Its not the men in your life that counts, its the life in your men." There was another one: "Its not how many strings you have to your bow but how many Beaus you have on your string." Don't know who said that. Another Movie quote that seems pretty good: "The sharpest sword never leaves its sheath." ("San Jiro" [30] a sequel to Yojimbo). ### RE: Mottoes Got this one in the e-mail, and thinking of the GHGE, West Nile scandals and such, I liked it: The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing. -Oscar Wilde <<A good friend will bail you out of jail, but a true friend will be sitting beside you saying " Damn that was fun!" - Unknown>> ### RE: Mottoes My three favorites: I use this one when projects are moving along a bit too fast and people are making mistakes: "The hurrier I go, the behinder I get", author unknown Just clever. I love the logic of this one: "Hangs in the air the way that bricks don't", Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy My mantra: "I never make mistakes. I thought I did once, but I was wrong". ### RE: Mottoes Folks... a few "simple" favorites (sorry no authors cited) Dad: "TRY!!!" Life: "No Guts, No Glory!!!" "Never give up, Never Give UP, NEVER GIVE UP" Kids: "Hire a teenage while they still know everything!!" Work: Anything that can go wrong, WILL go wrong. Murphy was an optimst! Regards, Wil Taylor ### RE: Mottoes "Progress is our most important Problem" I think this was an old NBC Saturday Night Live take-off of the General Electric motto "Progress is our most important Product". I believe GE owned NBC at the time. ### RE: Mottoes Found on the door of a lab manager I once worked with, concerning laboratory analysis requests: "PICK ANY TWO: I want it done fast I want it done good I want it done cheap" ### RE: Mottoes Shaman, Good Fast and Cheap are known as the Golden triangle - a term used and described as such by the US Navy, paradoxical as it may seem. Of course, their definition of "cheap" may be a bit different to ours. ### RE: Mottoes Some I like, but have limited information on sources: - "We will agree to disagree." I like to tell my wife this. If I say I am going to do something and she doesn't think it's a good idea, then I tell her this and do it anyways! - "_____ was no match for my superior intellect and massive upperbody strength." This was originally used by a college classmate in reference to CADKey program. He had never worked with CADKey, but that's the programming our engineering drafting course used... - "People do things. It's a fact." Same college classmate. I like to use this when people are caught up in drama. Such as, "Why did you take the last donut when I didn't get any and you already had two?" I have also personally added the pharse, "Look it up on Wikipedia." to the end. =) - "That sounds like an electrical problem." Used to try to pass blame (jokingly) at the office. Things like mounting a sensor with little clearance around it and then there is no way to get power to the sensor. The electrical guys will complain and I'll just tell them it is an electrical problem. They do the same thing for us mechanical guys (though the electrical guys have more experience and seem to make less mistakes than I do at this point. =( Just don't tell them I said that...) -- MechEng2005 ### RE: Mottoes 2 "Structural engineering is the art and science of molding materials we do not fully understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyze, to resist forces we cannot accurately predict; all in such a way that society at large is given no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." ### RE: Mottoes Also... Don't Rush me... I'll work cheaper. -- Grandpa Taylor To trust is to bust; to bust is hell-to-pay; so... no-trust, no-bust, no-hell-to-pay. -- Grandpa Taylor In God We Trust! (National Motto, U.S.A) In God We Trusted... In Kansas we busted! In God We Trust... all other must pay cash. In God We Trust... all others are suspects. In God We Trust... all others must have a security clearance... and a need-to-know. Regards, Wil Taylor ### RE: Mottoes What I tell the new kids coming in.... Be a jack of all trades, but be a master of one. Tobalcane "If you avoid failure, you also avoid success." ### RE: Mottoes I have a new one, and it is my new sig line :) Luck is a difficult thing to verify and therefore should be tested often. - Me ### RE: Mottoes OK, call me a pedant, but Prohammy's motto.... "It is a mathematical fact that fifty percent of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class." Has always bugged me! Nothing personal, I just find myself doing sums in my head to see if it is true everytime I read it! Is it a fact? Presumably only those who graduate get to be called doctors, so anyone who fails are firmly in the bottom half of the class, but not a doctor. So if we assume an even distribution of results, in a class of 100 potential doctors, and lets say that 15 of them fail. The top half of the class will have 50 doctors, and the bottom half of the class will have 35 doctors and 15 failed students. So in this example 41.2% of doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class. Unfortunately "It is a mathematical fact that 50% of doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class, assuming all students pass and become doctors" isn't such a snappy motto! ### RE: Mottoes Our school motto was "Prorsum Semper Honeste" (Forwards always proud). When I was in the sixth form, some boys formed a band. Their best song was a punked up version of the school song, with the motto featuring prominently in the chorus. For really sad motto hunters, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mottos - Steve ### RE: Mottoes richkeogh, I'm of the opinion that once a potential doctor fails, they are no longer part of the class. In example, if you were intending to graduate college as the class of 2008 but happened to fail a course, you would no longer consider yourself to be in the class of 2008. Possibly '09, but that leaves only the passing students remaining in the class. ### RE: Mottoes What if the class has an odd number of people? - Steve ### RE: Mottoes Folks... Life is tough - it's tougher if Your stupid. John Wayne in the sands of Iwo Jima.. I think... A few serious and controversial quotes...but food for thought (I have NO idea who said them). 1. As John Steinbeck once said: Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. 2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck. 3. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy. 4. America is not at war. The U.S. Military is at war. America is at the Mall. 5. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away. Shoot first... then call 911. 6. A reporter did a human interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded with, "Because they don't make a 46." 7. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity. 8. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. "Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?" "No Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle." (Winchester Model 94 30-30 Cal., loaded with Winchester Silver Tips, no doubt). 9. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT! 10. I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house. To which I said I did. She said "well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!" To which I said, "of course it is loaded." She then asked, "Are you that afraid of some one evil coming into your house?" My reply was, "No not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching on fire either, but I have fire extinguishers around, and THEY ARE ALL LOADED." Regards, Wil Taylor ### RE: Mottoes "Drawing check - pi$$ing of the Engineering staff one bad draftsman at a time"

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

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1. If you do not drink, smoke or have wild sex, you do not live longer, it just seems like it.

2. (Serious note) Ubique Quo Fas Et Gloria Ducunt (Everywhere Whither Right and Glory Lead)
Royal Artillery motto

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Got this one in today and loved it, since I am considered expensive: If you think experts are expensive . . .
wait and see what amateurs cost you.
~ Unknown

<<A good friend will bail you out of jail, but a true friend
will be sitting beside you saying " Damn that was fun!" - Unknown>>

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Hofstadter's Law:  "It will always take longer than you think, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law."

Love it.

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Seen on another forum:

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity, one lick and you'll suck forever.

Hg

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Rich,

Unfortunately "It is a mathematical fact that 50% of doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class, assuming all students pass and become doctors" isn't such a snappy motto!

Been gone for a while but gotta say that you are right, this isn't at all snappy......

Wecos and Sompt, good points. I agree with Wecos and Sompt everyone knows that the admissions officers always make sure that only an even number of students are admitted each year to avoid any such trivial arguments (also failing and student transfers are always done in a multiple of 2)

And for everyone else.....

"It is a mathematical fact that fifty percent of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class."
as previously discussed, but for statisticians

"It is a mathematical fact that 1% percent of all statisticians graduate in the bottom half of their class, the rest are taken care of by a standard binomial distribution."

Kevin

"It is a mathematical fact that fifty percent of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class." ~Author Unknown

"If two wrongs don't make a right, try three." ~Author Unknown

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Source unknown: 43% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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No they aren't; it's 53.4%.

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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
--  Albert Einstein

I've always found inspiration in this quote but now I've taken pause to evaluate my metacognative skills.  At least I still know why God invented beer...

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"One of the advantages of being disorderly is that one is constantly making exciting discoveries."  A.A. Milne

"Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood" Daniel Burnham (architect)

"Communism doesn't work.  People like to own things." Frank Zappa

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"all models are wrong, but some are useful."
-George Box

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Mark Twain once said,
"When I was sixteen, I thought my dad was the stupidest man in the world.
When I turned 21, I was amazed how much he had learned in five years."

My motto is "There is nothing more expensive in this world than a free lunch."

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I am also a fan of Twain:

"Behold, the fool saith, 'Put not all thine eggs in the one basket'--which is but a manner of saying, 'Scatter your money and your attention', but the wise man saith, 'Put all your eggs in the one basket and WATCH THAT BASKET."

"The Mississippi will always have its own way; no engineering skill can persuade it to do otherwise..."
- Autobiograhy

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What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know, its what we know for sure" --Samuel Clemens, AKA "Mark Twain"

All progress requires change. But not all change is progress." --John Wooden, legendary basketball coach

WE TRAINED HARD  --- BUT IT SEEMED THAT EVERY TIME WE BEGAN TO FORM UP INTO TEAMS WE WOULD BE REORGANIZED. I WAS TO LEARN LATER IN LIFE THAT WE TEND TO MEET ANY NEW SITUATION BY REORGANIZING: AND A WONDERFUL METHOD IT CAN BE FOR CREATING THE ILLUSION OF PROGRESS WHILE PRODUCING CONFUSION, INEFFICIENCY AND DEMORALIZATION."
--PETRONIUS ARBITER??? [210 B.C.]

Regards, Wil Taylor

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"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is."

Yogi Berra. (Baseball player)

"If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? "
Will Rogers.

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My favorite is from the Corps of Engineers: "We get it right the second time."

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Well, not exactly a motoe but...

There's the right way, the wrong way and the army way.

KENAT,

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Lies, Damm Lies and Statistics

Regards, Wil Taylor

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Liars, damned liars and epidemiologists.

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I needed somewhere to post this quote and this thread is as fun as any.
An Englishman is a person who does things because they have been done before. An American is a person who does things because they haven't been done before. Mark Twain

So I wonder where the Aussies fall in this?

Luck is a difficult thing to verify and therefore should be tested often. - Me

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Aussies play while the others do things.

Ciao.

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I know where to move now :)

Luck is a difficult thing to verify and therefore should be tested often. - Me

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"Rehab is for quitters" (Applicable to most on here!!).

From Red Dwarf: "Smoke me a Kipper, Ill be back for breakfast".

"Why have a Dog when you can bark yourself".

A modern favorite of mine: "Its not the size of the Dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the Dog".

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Also from Red Dwarf: "Better smeg than dead"

(I must dig out my complete series 1-6 12 VHS set.  Or throw out!)

- Steve

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"Six in one hand, half-dozen in the other"

or

-On Time
-Under Budget
-To Spec

..pick any two.

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Here is an office suite with an interesting motto...

SIAG  (Scheme In A Grid)

JHG

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prohammy  /  14 Jul 08 11:19
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.

And (RE: GeekKing  / 4 Aug 08 19:43) "The hurrier I go, the behinder I get"

My aunt has had that one on her fridge for many years now.  Now I am trying desperately to recall the only Latin phrase I ever memorized as a child (40 yrs ago)~
Something like: "Brevis esse laborio, obscurio fio"...(?) which means something to the tune of:  "The more I labor to be brief, the more obscure I become." [Any Latin majors out there, please re-set this fading memory!]

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There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

"If I had eight hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend six sharpening my axe." -- Abraham Lincoln

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(OP)
I have suggested "Strive for Mediocrity" as a motto for a company I was with once.  Just to reinforce it, their reaction was, "huh"?

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epitome of apathy

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If it does not fit, get a hammer.
If it still does not fit, get a bigger hammer.
If it still does not fit, it was not meant to be.

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"Brevis esse laboro, obscurus fio" In trying to become concise, I become obscure (Horace).
In good old times the latin was compulsory in grade 7 to 9. So was the Russian as second language. I still remember few things...
gr2vessels

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Before shooting always make sure your ducks are in a row.

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I was given a t-shirt for an Egyptian lager, their motto being
"That which does not kill us makes us stronger".

Mark

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Speak softly. And carry a big stick.

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If we learn from our mistakes I'm getting a great education!

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Quote by Mae West: "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before."

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The definition of luck is when preparation meets opportunity

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"If it isn't broke, keep tinkering with it until it is."

"Jesus loves you, but everyone else thinks you are a ..."

Joe
SW Office 2008 SP4.0
P4 3.0Ghz 3GB
ATI FireGL X1

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I've got a good story about one.  In my family's worldly travels, my mother took up collecting ceramic tiles with sayings in different languages on them.  She and my dad went to Egypt for a vacation one year and she brought back a tile she purchased in a local market written in Arabic.  She did not know what it said, so she brought it to an Egyptian friend of ours that lived near us in Port Harcourt, Nigeria.  When the lady read it she bowled over laughing.  She said it was an old Arabic saying:

"Beat your wife every morning.  You may not know why, but she does."

If you "heard" it on the internet, it's guilty until proven innocent. - DCS

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My wife's favourite saying: "They were on sale".

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"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." - from Hamlet , Wm. Shakespeare; Act II, scene ii
(As quoted by Pongo Twistleon's uncle Fred (Lord Ickenham) at Blandings Castle.)

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Life is tough, Its even tougher if you're stupid. "John Wayne"

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One I heard recently, and a new favourite.

"You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it glitter"

Very apt here.

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Profound, though not very technical,

"Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" - The Great Mae West

More serious,

"The more I know, the more I realize I don't know."

Reality.

What a concept.

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I didn't come up with it, but one of my email signatures is:

No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message.  However a few electrons were temporarily excited...

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Start each new day with a smile. Get it over with!

Beer is life. The rest is details.

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If we learn from our mistakes I'm getting a great education!

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"Searching for an Aristotlean relationship."

I have used this as a tag line on various messaging systems.  I made it up, but it is a pretty obvious joke, so I am sure someone got there ahead of me.

JHG

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Searching for an Aristotolean relationship? I had a Platonic relationship. It was play for her, tonic for me.

My personal motto is from the Three Stooges:

"I'm thinking, but nothing's happening."

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Alcohol is alcohol whether in your fuel tank or in a bottle, it promises to solve all your problems but only creates new and bigger.

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"There are two kinds of Engineer's in the world, those who know what their doing and those who only think they know what their doing."

Presidential Mottoe's

Clinton- "I did not inhale"

W. Bush- "I did not exhale"

B. Obama- "What the hale?"

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From my favorite author:  Kurt Vonnegut

"Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"

Something else from him, slightly off topic in that it isn't a motto, but chillingly apropos to the times;

"The chief weapon of sea pirates... was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was too late, how heartless and greedy they were." (From Breakfast of Champions)

"If I had eight hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend six sharpening my axe." -- Abraham Lincoln

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Time for John Paul Jones again, or his equivalent.
The Barbary Pirates had it good because the major powers were too busy fighting a war and it was left to neutral America to sort out the pirates.
This time around we need another nation to step up to the plate, the US is busy in Iraq and Afghanistan and, of course, this is Somalia..... after the battle of Mogadishu, I think the US wants nothing more to do with the place.
Any nominations?
Who could sort it out without taking a small mess and making it a bigger mess?

"Be water"

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I didn't see this posted yet, but I use it frequently:

"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."

tom

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What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know, its what we know for sure" --Samuel Clemens

Play by the rules, but be ferocious. --Phil Knight, NIKE

Lots of folks confuse bad management with destiny." --Kim Hubbard

May you live every day of your life." --Jonathan Swift

Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to simple stupidity.  – unknown

Regards, Wil Taylor

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Beer, the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems. - Homer Simpson

Drugs are for people who can't handle reality.  Or, conversely; Reality is for people who can't handle drugs. - unknown

And one of my favorites by Vonnegut, also my favorite author, "We could have saved the earth, but we were too damn cheap".

Check out the attached PDF titled, "You Can't Handle the Truth".  You structural folk will get a kick out of this one.

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Actually, I think the best is from Oscar Wilde:
Youth is wasted on the young.

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If it ain't broke - don't fix it.

NEVER start a plumbing project unless the hardware store will be open for eight more hours!!

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MiketheEngineer,

I was laughing so loud and hard at your last one that I couldn't even read it out loud to the wife.  When she finally came over and read it for herself, she only said "how true" and then rhetorically asked HOW MANY times I had started a plumbing project only to be thwarted by the closing of the hardware store(s).  I have WAY too many stories to tell-most I am not proud of.

This one shouldn't be just a motto, it should be the Fourth Law of Thermodynamics.

rmw

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MiketheEngineer has tempted me to start a thread like "What's Wrong With the Plumbing Industry?", such as:

The hexes are not standard inch sizes, no model numbers etc. on the faucets so that you can't buy parts before taking it apart, and so forth.

Regards,

Mike

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If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants. - Isaac Newton

I always liked this one.  Giants, of course, being the likes of Galileo & Kepler.

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"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."   Bertrand Russell.

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Interesting stuff. I love the "You Can't Handle the Truth".
or

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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Trying is the first step towards failure

- Homer Simpson

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The classics of course.
K.I.S.S
No matter how foolproof it is, some fool will break it.
Murphy rules!
Work smart, not hard.
( not sure if the latin is correct but, here goes)Ex liber, scientia, ex scientia, libertas.(from books, knowledge, from knowledge, freedom.)
(One of my favourites), You have the right to believe anything you like, no matter how silly I think it is.
Theory tells you how it is supposed to work, practice tells you whether it actually does.

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If it wasn't for bad luck, I would have no luck at all...

Homer Simpson

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I came across this one recently, and it seems like good words to live by:

Never take a sleeping pill and a laxative at the same time.

tom

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"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress."
from Mark Twain's "Following the Equator"

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Had to throw these in there:

"Never Underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers." - Author Unknown

"Anyone who attempts to make something foolproof underestimates the ingenuity of fools." - Author Unknown

From our current Engineering Manager - "Why would you do that?  That's like wiping your butt before you poop."

Actual exchange I had with a vendor -
Me - "I'm pretty sure this feature is out of print"
Them - "Well, we're not capable of making that feature to print."
Me - "So you're saying that it's out of print?"
Them - "No.  We're saying we're not capable."

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JAE:

#### Quote:

An Englishman is a person who does things because they have been done before. An American is a person who does things because they haven't been done before.
which reminds me of this one, quoted to me many years ago but I have no idea who it should be attributed to:"Americans don't solve problems, they overwhelm them."

PS what is a secretary?

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Here's a few from a project manager friend of mine (about 68 years old) who gathered these over the years.  Most of them are parables/mottoes about doing business as an engineer:

"No sense in going after brain damage"

"No good deed goes unpunished"

"He wouldn't be happy if he was hung with a new rope"

"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while"

"A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on"

"One man's meat is another man's poison, or, kitty heaven is mousie hell"

"The client who pays the least complains the most"

"It is easier to get forgiveness than permission"

"If you are going to buy a dead horse, make sure you either know CPR or where to sell the parts"

"Find an accountant who wants to win the Pulitzer Prize for fiction"

"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away"

"The best time to sell a horse is before it dies"

"Don't hold a $1000 meeting to solve a$100 problem"

"The empty can makes the loudest noise"

"This is probably as bad as it can get, but don't count on it"

"You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks"

Don't try to teach a pig to dance.  It won't work and you'll just end up annoying the pig"

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"An Englishman is a person who does things because they have been done before. An American is a person who does things because they haven't been done before."

I have a vague recollection of a poster showing the "Ideal NATO" officer that combined the perceived characteristics of each nation.  Naturally, there was 'humorous as a German' with a cartoon of a German standing there puzzled whilst all about were convulsed with laughter, I think 'relaxed as a Turk' with Turk in full dress uniform at a party, and as inhibited as a Dane (shown in full party mode).  IIRC, the American quality was something like 'flexibility' accompanied by a very angry US officer pointing at a page on a very thick manual, whilst the Brit was doing the opposite.  I've had a quick google but can't find it.

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.. well, I found one list,

3: The perfect NATO member should be.... calm as a Canadian, flexible as an American, generous as a Dutchman, sober as a Norwegian, discreet as a Dane, reserved as an Italian, straightforward as a Brit, active as a Spaniard, organized as a Greek, relaxed as a Turk, conspicuous as a Luxembourgian, intelligible as an Icelander, humble as a Frenchman, technical as a Portuguese, available as a Belgian, humorous as a German.

but not the cartoon

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"Surveying is the only profession where two mistakes can make it right"

At 74th year working on IR-One2 PhD from UHK  - - -

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"An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory"

"An undefined problem has an infinite number of solutions"

"Employ thy time well, if thou meanest to get leisure"

"Honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress"

Kristine
Legazpi City Philippines
West Palm Beach, Fl, USA

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The bigger they are:

The harder they hit

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For many years we had a sticker on the back of the car:

"Avenge yourself - live long enough to be a problem to your children"

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One I saw as the signature of someone here on the forums:

"Some people are like slinkies; they don't really have a purpose, but they still bring a big smile to your face when you push them down stairs!"

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If you live a healthy life style, you may add several years to your life.
But those years aren't added when you are in your 20's and partying every night.
They are added on at the end, when you are sitting at the nursing home, dirtying your pants.

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Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.

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The things that come to those who wait will be the scraggly junk left by those who got there first.

The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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One of my favourite Arthur C Clarke quotes is:
"The future isn't what it used to be."

I like the linking of past, present and future into this concise and profound expression. It is worth printing this out on the cover of every new project file because barely a day will go by when some small change or little bit of sales and marketing tinkering will case the project objectives to shift.
Read it every time you pick up the file and it will remind you to keep on top of changes and think though the consequences.

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Those are all great. I have spent the last hour copying and pasting into outlook.  When I was in the field, I would often say, 'This is like pushing a chain up stairs.'

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2
"Labor Vincit Omnia" latin for "work conquers all" good to remember these days especially

and:

"If you think an expert's expensive, wait till you hire an amateur."

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My father would tell me, "Just because someone does something everyday that does not mean they are an expert".
He is an engineer.

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sprink131371....reminds me of those contractors and subs who tout "I've been doin' this for 30 years and never had a problem"....meaning of course that I was the problem for point out their screw-up...leads one to believe that instead of 30 years of experience, they have 1 year of experience 30 times.

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"It's good to be the king"

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fel3, spoken like a true engineer. I like your use of 'the'. As if to imply there can be only one.

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I always liked:

"I'm not a vegetarian because I dislike meat, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants.

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"It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick"

(Yokum family motto from Li'l Abner by Al Capp)

BA

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I was once chided by an expeditor with "You should never assume something is so, otherwise you end up making an ass out of u and me".

John

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"I yam what I yam"

~Popeye The Sailor

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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

JHG

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JohnGP -

I had a previous boss that used to say,

"Don't ever go with an assumption, because then you'll make an ass out of u and umption."

If you "heard" it on the internet, it's guilty until proven innocent. - DCS

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swearingen,

I'll try and keep that one in mind as well.

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Experience is what you get right after you needed it.

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"If you didn't get what you wanted, you didn't tell a good enough story."

I've never doubted her on this....

Regards,

Mike

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I once had a manage who told me that "People only ever do things for their own reasons."  So true.

- Steve

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"Wear your seatbelt... It makes it harder for the aliens to suck you out of your car." That was seen on a bumper sticker when we parked the car on vacation in the NASA parking lot. =)

"Nobody has ever been let down by underestimating the intelligence of the masses." or something similiar. I believe it was during an interview in discussing possible legislation to solve a problem...

-- MechEng2005

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"Send lawyers, guns, and money".

Warren Zevong (sp?)

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"God gave you fingers and you picked your nose."

Mamsy

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Three from a ladies man I used to share a flat with in my student days:

"Go ugly early."

"There are two certainties in life: death and nurses."

"There are two kinds of women in life: those who do and those who haven't been asked properly."

- Steve

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"If you think an expert's expensive, wait 'till you hire an amateur."

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Aren't all of those what they now call company "mission statements"?

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"As the wise man points to the starts, a fool will look at the wise man's finger."

Tobalcane
"If you avoid failure, you also avoid success."

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"Love your enemies. Boy will it confuse them." Soupy Sales

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My favorite,

"Fast, Cheap and Easy...pick any two"

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CORRECTION!

"Fast, Cheap and GOOD...pick any two".

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The Golden triangle!
- as used by the US Navy, for example.

OK, I know that'll come as a surprise to all those of you who believe military contracts are usually based on commercial price x 10 (or x 100) but I guess they mean in relative terms i.e. relative to other kit they are offered, not relative to commercial prices.

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Old age is a matter of mind thing;- if you don't mind, it doesn't matter.
gr2vessels

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I like:

"The drip on this side of the faucet betrays the flood that waits behind it."

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"Do or do not ... there is no try"
Yoda

"An expert is a drip under pressure"
Bubba Maccann

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"I don't want it right, I want it tomorrow!"

Quite right too, when properly applied.

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"Ageing is inevitable, growing up is optional."

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"All I want to know is what we sold"

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Don't know where these came from:

"Assumption" is the mother of all f#%k-ups!

You can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which fills up first.

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Don Corleone stole that line from SunTzu who wrote The Art of War

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To JMW
Love, love, love Wodehouse and Shakespeare, but the Bible beat them both to that paraphrased ditty.

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dear tr6
your second motto is one of my mother's standards, hey, are you my brother?

One of my favorites:
"We have a strange and unique relationship-you are strange and i am unique"

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brownigirl, I'm not gonna have to read back over my posts to find out where Wodehouse comes into it am I?
Do remind me, which ditty is it?

Of course, the one we should all be familiar with but haven't mentioned is:
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

I think Boeing produced some frightful statistic that said 80%(or some large figure) of failures were caused by maintenance. If anyone knows the source of that please let us know.

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To JMW
"There is nothing either good or bad....(Hamlet) as quoted by Pongo...
Of course this morning, I couldn't find the scripture reference, but I'll keep looking.

One of my personal favorites:

A journey of a thousand miles begins with my Dad saying "I know a shortcut"

We ended up at Peachbottom Atomic Resarch Center that way once.

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When I learn to spell I'll write 'research' 100x.

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Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid - John Wayne.

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Experience is compulsory, learning is not.
Wonder if this explains in part why we insist repeating errors.

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If you think education is expensive, consider the cost of ignorance

drawn to design, designed to draw

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My first boss told me one day that,

"Any resemblance to the drawing is strictly coincidental"

it took a few doozies before I realized he wasn't joking

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Never assume anything.  Just speculate the hell out of it.

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The Hamster (real name escapes me) on Top Gear today:

#### Quote:

"Go for ugly first"
Apparently a strategy from his nightclubbing days... as soon as you get to the club you grab the first ugly bird you see and then you've got your evening sorted.
Your mates (he says) then think you're an idiot for picking a dog and spend their entire evening looking for Top Totty and coming up blank.
A pragmatic, effective and somewhat daunting approach.
Low standards equals high success rate?

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Low standard for the ugly duckling? She's intelligent and blushes instantly, she's witty too. The happy conqueror would listen most likely to the giggles of that blonde bimbo...

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The hamster = Richard Hammond

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JMW, It's "Go ugle early".  And I already posted that one in this thread.  Always worked for me.

- Steve

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ugle??  Whoops.

The second part of the expression (according to my highly sucessful friend who first described the tactic to me) is "They are so much more appreciative."  I never asked him if his wife was an early bird.

- Steve

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I yield prior publication rights to you SomptingGuy.....

I'm tempted to go for the "great minds think alike" defence but....

On the other hand, Evolution does play a part; this is probably why the population ain't getting any prettier or any brighter; for that we can probably blame you, the Hamster and your friend.

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Never bring a knife to a gun fight.

"Assumption" is the mother all F#\$#-UPs!

You don't have to agree with me. You have the right to be wrong.

2% of the people think.
5% think they think
93% would rather be dead than think! (From a college philosophy professor)

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In which % are you?

Fe

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We are all in the gutter looking at the stars

-Wilde

drawn to design, designed to draw

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I am nobody. Nobody is perfect, so I am perfect.
-my wife

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"The only place where success comes before work is in the dictionary." Donald Kendall

Cyril Guichard
Defense Program Manager
Belgium

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"The supply of sloppy work far exceeds the demand." -Me

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Never mind the glitter ...

- Steve

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"It goes with the territory" - management speak for "we've shafted you again! Ha Ha!"

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I had a professor in college who, when we complained about homework or tests, would tell us "Education is the only business where the consumer demands an inferior product."

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My college physics professor had a different form of that one.  It went something like, "A college education is the only commodity that consumers are willing to pay large sums of money in advance for, then actively seek not to take delivery."

If you "heard" it on the internet, it's guilty until proven innocent. - DCS

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Forget where I first heard these.

"When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail"

"Good judgment comes from experience. Experience - well, that comes from poor judgment."

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Why don't we wind up this thread?  It is really getting boring.

BA

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Others may enjoy it still.
Dan

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Good advice, Dan320.  I will do that.

BA

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