Valve controller selection
Valve controller selection
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I need to select a device to control a pneumatic valve using the 4-20mA input on the actuator. The control must be manual, by that I mean the user will vary the 4-20mA current to set the valve in the desired position by whatever means the device allows. We would prefer that the control allow for very fine adjustments. Any recommendations on what type of device can be easily incorporated and used on this type of application? It is in an industrial setting that will be regularly used. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Keith Cress
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You can feed the output back to PV to give a nice large display.
I assume you arn't using a PLC or DCS
Regards
Roy
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In addition, the system is not linear which causes problems for cheap controller. These systems typically require a position feedback, duh. The trick is to get the second derivative for the second derivative gain. This can be done by differentiating the position twice. Good luck with out using an observer. One can use an accelerometer. This works well in the lab but will not survive in many industrial environments. The best method is to put pressure sensors on either end of the cylinder. The pressure on each end of the cylinder is mulitplied by the area on each side of the piston and a differential force is computed. The differential force is roughly proporitonal to the acceleration of the load or the second derivative.
So how big is the valve and how fast and accurate must the control be?
Peter Nachtwey
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What the heck are you smoking?
A PID controller locked in Manual mode is nothing but a Manual loading station.
Set the output at 50% and you get 12mA, right now, no delay nothing!
I suggested feeding the output back to PV is just for display purposes.
Other advantages of using a controller-
Can be the same hardware as other loops for operator familiarity.
Allows for future automatic possibilities.
Probably cheaper than a dedicated manual loader.
The original post said the valve has "4-20 mA input" & to "very fine adjustments" so presumably it has a positioner rather than just an I/P. This will be the speed limiting factor not the 4-20 mA source.
Regards
Roy
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Regards
Roy
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Thanks again to all who have posted
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PV is an abbreviation for process variable, usually the quantity being controlled by a control loop. The term PV is often used in conjunction with SP, the abbreviated version of Set Point. SP is the value to which the controller tries to regulate the PV.
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A flow loop is probably the easiest loop to set up.
As I said before, a controller will be about the same cost as a manual loader and the operator will be happy with the results. I recently purchased 1/4 DIN controllers for < $250 ea.
Regards
Roy
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Roy, do you have any specific controller references. We are using Rosemount 3051 dP transmitters
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I have used a bunch of Honeywell UDC2500 lately, they have a NEMA 4 front which makes them nice for a wet area.
http://honeywell.silverw.com/docs/51-52-25-127.pdf
A UDC2500-C0-0A00-200-00000-00-0 would do it for you, no special features, they sell for just under $500. Make sure you get the -0A00- option otherwise the Auto/Manual buttons are dissabled.
If you want something cheaper check out the www.Omega.com
Regards
Roy
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Ah, now I see, you are using cylinders for high speed robotics or servo positioning. No wonder I couldn't understand it.
Sorry if I came back a bit strong.
Regards
Roy