Exempt employee attendance policy
Exempt employee attendance policy
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Are there any actual legal policies determining what constitutes a sick day, vacation day, etc. for exempt employees? Is it right for a company to not compensate you for extensive travel and yet dock you for sick time even if it is a necessary doctors appointment? Just wondering what actual Federal or otherwise documents might be out there. Thanks in advance.
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I don't think there is a federal "definition" of sick days. At one company I worked for, they call them "Flex Days", which you can use if you are sick, need to go to the dentist/optometrist/PT Interview/etc. This way, you have an allotment of days, to use as you require, without specification. After you run out of these, it's onto vacation time.
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I've spent my whole career watching people try to "get their rights" while in the same company with the same supervisor where I felt well treated. I always took the time I needed to take. The difference was I got my work done, if something needed to be done, I did it.
When I've had employees who demanded comp time for travel, I stopped sending them out of town. When they started an "I need to go to the doctor" discussion with "I've been working a bunch of overtime and need to take an hour to go to the dentist, is that OK?" I always got really concerned and started watching their hours--typically they were the last to arrive in the morning and the first to leave in the evening and the only folks to take a regular break. When someone came to me and said "gotta go to the doctor, be back when I get here", I knew their conscience was clear and I forgot about it.
If someone brought me a Dept of Labor guide book to show me they had the right to comp time or time off to take a kid to the doctor I immediately started doing two things: (1) complying absolutely with the letter of every word in the DOL regulations (there is some ugly stuff in there to protect both the employee and the employer); and (2) looking for a way to get rid of the barracks lawyer. This only happened one time and the individual was transferred to another group within a month (the fact that she was fired from the other group 3 months later had nothing to do with me, I wasn't asked for a recommendation).
You've chosen to be a Mechanical Engineer. With that choice comes pretty good money, challenging work assignments, and usually pretty good working conditions. It also comes with 60 hour weeks when the work demands it and if you feel you must keep track of your overtime you are in the wrong line of work.
David
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typically in US "Exempt" means white collar salaried employees who are exempt from being paid overtime. Kinda like slave labor or indentured servants.
"Non-Exempt" is typically hourly employees that must be paid overtime for more than 40 hours/week of work time, sometimes for more than 8hr/day.
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As I said above, "exempt" means that you are exempt from most of the Dept of Labor regulations. You don't have to receive overtime, you are not required to be provided with regular work-breaks, etc. Non-exempt means that the regulations apply to you. Virtually all hourly workers are non-exempt. Some salaried positions are "salaried non-exempt", but that is mostly for hourly people who have been promoted to a leadership position and they still come under the regulations (and must be paid overtime) but they are salaried.
David
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The firms had to pay a bunch of money retroactively.
But as far as Labor having policy on comp time or sick time, I have never seen a reg for exempt. Companies are not required to give sick days or comp time. But the company's policy helps me decide if I want to work there or not.
A company that expects me to travel extensively on my time, and doesn't want to negotiate comp time, I'm outta there. And I spent part of my career traveling a lot.
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Also I've heard arguments that exempt is meant to apply mainly to management rather than just anyone being paid more than 2 X min wage. Not sure what the law says on it though.
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I never call in late. when I am late, I just arrive late and then stay late if needed. If no rush, I still leave the office at regular time. As for going to the doctor, I just notify the boss, I don't ask for his permission. BUT, you got to walk the walk to take this kind of attitude. i.e deliver big time when needed.
When I work overtime, like taking over a project from someone who quit and squeeze it in my schedule. I don't ask the boss for comp time, it's the boss that comes to me and says that I should keep track of all that extra time. He usualy lets me charge a week or two of vacation time to that project.
Depends on who you work for, but don't bring that DOL Sh** to the boss, you are out ASAP.
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Right out of college I worked for a company that had an official policy on giving out sick time, but for exempt employess there was an unwritten policy-if you used the sick time that the company gave you it would be held against you at your next performance review. You were expected to make up sick time and not use your allotted sick days. Needless to say I didn't stay there too long.
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Oh to be that naive again.
I used to think that working hard and achieving was what mattered etc.
In fact at my last employer in the UK it worked out really well for me.
However, at my current employer it just isn’t that simple. It works pretty well up to a certain level but then policies come down from above that completely scupper it.
Then again maybe the problem is my employer not the philosophy.
BRGENG, any openings
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I always enjoyed reading your UK perspective of things on this forum.
US statistics indicate the following (heck I read it somewhere):
1. Most companies have 15% of workers that could be fired out right and the result will be a better production at the company - That's 15% that do a lot less than is expected of them.
2. Most companies have up to 70% of people who do just enough to get by, i.e. enough to keep their job.
3. Most companies have 15% of workers that do much more than is expected of them.
See which category you belong in.
and finally, most comapies with a vision try very hard to identify No.1 to get rid of them ASAP (even if the company is very busy), and No.3 to do whatever it takes to keep them.
When you are a identified as a franchise player as they say in the NFL (i.e.among the top 15%), then you'll get your way and much more.
Good luck.
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I might caution you that some people may not know that you are ok with them leaving for an appt and feel the need to justify it to you before they do so. This is probably more a matter of personality than of not being good workers. Just because someone comes to you and starts off with how much they've been doing and do you mind if they leave for an appt doesn't mean they are poor workers. It could very easily be that they don't yet know your expectations for their time in the office.
I am rather timid and often asked when I first started (though I never started by saying how hard I've been working). That being said, I think it is more a matter of personality than work ethic.
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I wonder how those 3 categories work in a very specialized field?
My company works in precision measurement. The stars of the show are mostly the scientists and a few of the top engineers that are developing the new techniques, methods technology etc.
In my current position of drawing checking & design verification for the more mundane mechanical items I don't think it would matter how over acheiving I am/was I'll never hit cat 3 because it's not perceived my many as critical to the company. Heck, wasn't long ago my now Director who claims to value me & my role was supposedly telling the board of directors that I was firmly in cat 1!
Like I said though, I think it may be the company, hence I'm keeping an eye out.
That said my direct manager does value me etc and I've actually got pretty flexible hours. I'll let him know I'm gonna be out but I don't normally ask permission unless I think there may be an issue. He also kicks me out early last day of the week sometimes too!
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I've went to a lot of doctor's appointments in my career and I've never been docked for it. Did you mention to your manager that you were leaving and that you'd stay a little late to make it up?
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