Using steel chains as reinforcement??
Using steel chains as reinforcement??
(OP)
Hi,
I'm working on a job in which the engineer is using a novel way to reinforce CMU walls. He's using steel chains instead of rebar, inserted from the top and then full grouted with 4000psi concrete. I guess he's been asked to justify the process and so he's come to us to do an evaluation. I was wondering if anyone had come across such a situation before and could advice us about the viability of such a process.
Just from first glance, I feel that using chains as concrete reinforcement would lead to local stress concentrations that could cause the chain to break or yield locally. Perhaps it might be ok to use these chains at a lower strength value than what they're rated for.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
I'm working on a job in which the engineer is using a novel way to reinforce CMU walls. He's using steel chains instead of rebar, inserted from the top and then full grouted with 4000psi concrete. I guess he's been asked to justify the process and so he's come to us to do an evaluation. I was wondering if anyone had come across such a situation before and could advice us about the viability of such a process.
Just from first glance, I feel that using chains as concrete reinforcement would lead to local stress concentrations that could cause the chain to break or yield locally. Perhaps it might be ok to use these chains at a lower strength value than what they're rated for.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
RE: Using steel chains as reinforcement??
What type of loads is he expecting the chain to resist? Uplift? Flexure? Shear?
Because of the metallurgy and different manufacturing methods of chain/link types, you will have little chance of finding any historical support. You can find some basis for barbed wire, but chain could be tough.
I hope he was planning on 4000 psi grout and not 4000 psi concrete - that gives you a clue to the technical basis. That strength level appears to be excessive and possibly detrimental.
What type of structure and where is this experiment located? That may help to explain the approach.
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The loads are mostly from backfill against the wall. He's using it for restoring basement walls that have moved and/or have developed cracks in them. The chains are easier to insert than rebar since they can be bent and dropped easily.
RE: Using steel chains as reinforcement??
If you calculate stresses, you will not be able to use the block as part of the depth of the menber. You will be limited to the size of the grouted area and the reinforcement. This make the tension reinforcement more critical.
Since the wall moved and must be straightened, removal of the backfill and vertical loads would be necessary. In this situtaion, it is often better to reconstruct the wall to a proper standard and use the full thickness as a structural member.
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you are forgetting that the grout filling the voids is much weaker than the chain. If there is any slackness in the chain then the concrete between would fail due to crushing a lot earlier than the bars would.
joshuaroark,
Good point, it cant cost that much to get a couple embeded into cylinders and tested.
csd
RE: Using steel chains as reinforcement??
See ASTM C1019. The sample is cast in a form made from masonry units with absorptive paper separationg the grout from the masonry units.
Cylinders give misleading results when testing grout because of the required slump and curing conditions.
Dick
RE: Using steel chains as reinforcement??
Are the walls being demolished and rebuilt? It sounds like it or I am wondering how you are going to drop a chain into an already built wall (unless the wall is currently not grouted and that is just being added. If the wall is being demolished and rebuilt, you have to have rebar dowelling from the ftg into the wall for shear transfer - why not just extend it all the way up the wall?
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I disagree that the chain will be resisting flexure. The COMPOSITE SECTION of the block and reinforcement resists the flexure, the reinforcement (whatever it may be) only resists the tension portion of the flexure - the block is resisting the tension.
I do agree that the chain is a bad idea for all the reasons mentioned in previous posts.
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