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# I don't want to work overtime!27

## I don't want to work overtime!

(OP)
hi all,

I'm in the process of finding a new job so I'm interviewing with some really interesting companies.  I'm 23 years old and I'm trying to work in Raleigh, NC.  Everything is going well so far and some of the smaller firms look like great opportunities to learn alot about structural engineering.  There is only one problem with all of this: it seems to be industry standard that structural engineers work excessive overtime.  These small firms mention that they expect 50 hrs/wk from me minimum.

I don't want to work more than 40 and I don't want the extra money.  I may consider working at one of these firms anyway just because it seems so much better than some other civil jobs, but I really don't enjoy working that much and I've found that a couple of hours a day can really make a big difference with quality of life.  I'm still deciding if this will cause me to turn down a job, but it seems that if I wanted to work ridiculous hours then I would go for a PhD.      50+ is just too much especially considering I'll be sitting in front of that great big computer screen for every one of those hours.  I feel strongly about keeping it at 40, and I know if I agree to 50 then I could easily be looking at 60 once I start working there.

So this is the problem, and I'm sure that you-all know it even better than I do.  The twist is that I havn't started working anywhere yet and so I'm still free to decide.  My question is:

How outlandish would it be to try to negotiate 40 or maybe 45 hrs/wk as a condition of acceptance of an offer from a company that has mentioned that a typical workweek is 50+.

I don't care about the risk of losing the offer if there's a chance they might consider it.  Also remember that its paid overtime that I'm turning down.

-G

### RE: I don't want to work overtime!

whoa, LOL....remind me to never ever send my resume to those companies.  we've had this discussion before in this forum i believe.  if it's truly an issue, don't work for them.  don't even try and negotiate.

### RE: I don't want to work overtime!

If you don't want to work, play the Lotto.

Everyone has to "pay their dues".  Some people clean out the deep fryer, others are stuck putting cardboard boxes in the crusher. 10hrs of overtime is not that terrible, considering you will be employed in a career that you chose to pursue.

That being said, I'm a strong believer in the 40hr week.  I hate people expecting me to arrive early and leave late to "set an example" or be a "team player".  I manage my time fairly well, and can get my work done in the allotted 40hrs.  I am also willing to work as much overtime as is required to get the job done.  If a project is going to slip it won't be on my account.  Having completed plenty of 36-48hr days during my career has helped me to learn to manage my time wisely.

You could try to negotiate, but remember you are one of many that will be applying for the same position.  Your resistance to hard work (as preceived by your future employer) may mean the difference between which candidate gets extended an offer.

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### RE: I don't want to work overtime!

If you want to work a 40 hours week you better go to work for the government.

I've been asked several times at interviews how many hours a week the interviewee would be expected to work and I always reply "I tend to average 60 hours a week, and most of the staff is here when I get here and here when I leave".  I've never hired anyone who thought that was excessive.

The job is the job and if you feel that the employeer is exploitive then you won't be happy.  I've never worked for anyone who came out and said that I had to work overtime for free, but if I ever didn't get a project finished on time it would have had an impact on whether I was ever placed on the critical path again.

David

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As long as I meet my billable hour requirement and I go under budget, my boss is happy.  To make the clients happy however, sometime I need to be sure my design is finish in time so occasionally I do have to work overtime.  If you want 8-5 job, you shouldnt have done engineering.

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Oh yes, by the way, it is saturdary afternoon right now and I am at work trying to finish my project .

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warelephent;
LOL, I really have a nice, cushy job for you, we hire clerks that work exactly 40 hours per week. It might require a pay cut, but you will only work 40 hours in an office environment.

I do admire your expectations. However, you really need to come to grips that working as a professional will require more than 40 hours per week. Once you establish yourself within an organization, you will begin to optimize your work load and your attitude will change. Some weeks you may work less than 40 hours, and other weeks you may work more than 40 hours.

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There is nothing wrong with not willing to work overtime. Just tell the would be-employer upfront. If they really do not want you, you will know then.

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BJC,

I beg to differ. On avarge Electricans make way less than Electrical Engineers (http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos206.htm).  Where as (in 2004) Electricans made about $20/hr ($42K/year) and the Electrical Engineer made $72k/year (http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm#earnings). That is$30k worth of OT the electrican has to make to catch up to a 40hr/ week Electrical Engineer.

Tobalcane
"If you avoid failure, you also avoid success."

### RE: I don't want to work overtime!

Not to mention 10 hours a day cramped in a breaker box stripping, pulling, and snipping wire, on a construction site which is wicked hot in the summer or deathly cold in the winter.

Been there, done that, I'll stick with engineering....

-The future's so bright I gotta wear shades!

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I here you sms.  My first job our of college I was a field engineer (glorified tech).  I had to do installs of equipment from outside the building to the inside.  You know your job is starting to suck when you have to tap the eletrical box or any box in the basement to scare out the rats and bugs and then stick your hand in it.  And then, for OT you do more of it.  When I got my real engineernig job it was nice to come to an office sitdown with a cup of coffee and do work.

Today im doing some ot (sunday). I have a cup of coffee, 80's tunes off the net, and software cranking out some good analysis...sure beats rapping eltrical boxes.

Tobalcane
"If you avoid failure, you also avoid success."

### RE: I don't want to work overtime!

A good balance between home and the office is essential.  I have worked with several who have lost marriages because by their own admission they worked too much.

If you don't have your own family yet (wife & children) it might be a good idea to work for one of these firms for a few years because you will learn alot. However, firms that operate like sweat shops often have a high turnover because their employees get burned out.

I just left an employer because I was consistently working 7 days a week, often until 1 or 2 am.  All of this was of course uncompensated.  I found another employer who has more reasonable requirements.  I choose to work about 50 hours because it gives me a little breathing room at work.  I also chose to get in early so I beat the traffic and so I can leave early enough to get home and be with my family for dinner.

Unfortunatley, putting in overtime comes with the territory of being a consulting engineer.  Not all firms require a minimum of 50 hours, if you look around some more you'll probably find one that has a work week you can live with.  Just don't expect that at crunch time you can strictly stick to a 40 hour week.  If you do and others have to pick up your slack you will be resented and may not last long.  Good luck

### RE: I don't want to work overtime!

Reasons to work 50hrs+ a week:
1. I am paid a buttload of money to do it.
2. I am gaining valuable experience or am fast tracking my career so I can eventually be put in the position to receive a buttload of money.
3. I just plain love doing what the job entails.

If there isn't one or more of the above I just plain won't do it.  Life is too short.

LewTam Inc.
Petrophysicist, Leading Hand, Natural Horseman, Prickle Farmer, Crack Shot, Venerable Yogi.

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Twoballcane
Good statistics but they are just that. They include all those "electricans" running romex in Mississippi etc. Check the ones doing construction in your area.
I assumed anyone serious about being an electrican would go the full apprenticeship route and get into a constuction local IBEW.  I know several that have made a $100K. a year. Thats about 500 hrs a year OT. The only OT they donate is to Habitat for Humanity. Warelephant If you don't want to work OT you could consider working as a contractor. Get you pimp to get you time and half for OT. At least when you work OT you get time and half and the "real employees" will get nothing. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! Warelephant, You may as well get use to working, it's never going to end. My son works a lot of hours and I encurage that. He complained to me that his company assigned him a car that looks like an old person would drive. Had to remind him that if he worked six to seven days and nights a week, he may be able to drive a Ferrari and look old, like I do. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! @sms "Move to France..... In the US for any kind of engineering 50 hours a week is pretty normal." Bad news for you sms... French engineers voluntarily work overtime as well. Maybe not all of them work 50 hours (I don't) but we stick around at least an hour longer than the clerks. It's all about finding the right balance between having a good family life and having the feeling, at the end of the day, of having done a proper and thorough job. And if that involves occasionnally staying late to work efficiently while the office is quiet and the phone has shut up, then so be it (my wife at least doesn't mind). On the other hand I expect my company to be flexible as well and let me step in half an hour later or leave a bit earlier if absolutely necessary (garage, doctor, that kind of stuff) and fortunately they are. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! 2 For my first year with the company I work for, I worked consistantly 45-55hr weeks. I was getting paid hourly and did get compensated for overtime but my hourly rate was nothing to write home about. Now I am salary and am only required to work 40hrs/week, but I still put in the overtime (uncompensated) if I need to. The point is, for the first year I was proving that I could kick butt and take names every hour that I was working. I did 50hrs worth of work when I worked that many hours. Now my boss doesn't care if I work only 40hrs because she knows I will get everything done on time, and if I need to come in early or late or even take a day off and come in on the weekend instead it isn't a problem for them. Get your foot in the door, negotiate for 45hrs/week if that would make you happy, but work you butt off for a while and prove yourself. Then you can set your own schedule. David ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! I think its fine to be upfront and make it clear that you're not willing to work regular overtime as long as you accept the consequences that they might not offer you the job. I think that you should be prepared to work occasional overtime if there is a good reason for them to ask you to do it and you haven't got specific plans for that week - if it worked out the other way round and the workload slackened off for a couple of weeks, you'd still be expecting to get paid for 40 hours even if there wasn't enough there to keep you busy. And if slack period carried on, you'd be facing lay-offs and so by the same token if the reason for doing the overtime doesn't go away, you don't have to carry on working long hours. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! I'm coming from the same place as you, OP. 9-5 is a myth because you are gone from the house at least 8-6 even on a "40 hour" workweek. It is a bad thing and Americans work TOO MANY hours overall. However, as it has been said above, you are competing against other people for these jobs. If any one of them is willing to put in the extra hours, how can you possibly compete with that? At your (our) age what position are you negotiating from that will put this position on your terms? If you can do it then by all means go for it but I don't see what you (or anybody our age) has to offer that will make up for %25 more hours on the clock. Finally, these are PAID overtime hours, like time and a half?! That's pretty rare in my (limited) experience, although I'm not structural... ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! Perhaps you can negotiate to get flex time? Work extra hours week and get additional days off another time. I know some companies offer that up front, sadly not mine. Cheers. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! Come and work in Michigan. Assuming you can actually get a job, you will probably only work 32 hours a week. Of course, you only get paid 32 hours a week. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! 3 Warelephant: If a prospective employer stated to me that 50+ hrs. per week was expected, I would try to find out more about why that was the case. Is this a short term situation because of a specific project? If so, it seems likely that a new employee would be assigned to that project (one that is apparently in trouble already). If this is a long term situation, why is that? Poor management, local supply vs. demand of engineers, shortage of qualified employees, recent defections of good employees, just plain greed of firm management, etc. are all possible reasons. It would seem important to find out why. If there is a shortage of qualified employees, then you should ask for more money. If it a problem of poor management, maybe you should pass. If it is local supply vs. demand, then look in another locale. One other thing for a young engineer to consider here. Before accepting a job, I would certainly want to know what these smaller firms are doing about professional and leadership development. After all, if you are going to spend 50+ hours per week on them, what are they going to do, formally, in that 50 hours to invest in you, to make you a better engineer, and a better leader. I suggest that workin’ ain’t necessarily learnin’. Further, I suggest that in an environment where you are expected to work 50+, your development will receive far less consideration than in a 40-45 hr environment. In your original post, you mentioned that these smaller firms seem to “look like great opportunities to learn a lot about structural engineering.” Maybe these smaller firms are looking at you and saying that you look like a great opportunity to put a guy in a cubicle for 50 hours a week, bill him out at full rate, and not have to invest a thing in him. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! JRESE makes a very good point. Listen to his wisdom, grasshopper. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! Hi Warelephant, JRESE makes an excellent point, "If a prospective employer stated to me that 50+ hrs. per week was expected, I would try to find out more about why that was the case." I don't have much to add, JRESE explains his point very well. It's a great idea to think to understand the business of the companies that you are applying to. Good luck, Joseph ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! sorry typo It's a great idea, to think like a businessman i.e. understand the business of the companies that you are applying to. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! 7 If someone told me that I would have to work overtime continuously, I would ask them what are you going to do for me? a) Give me more pay? b) Give me professional experience? c) Give me an end-of-year bonus? d) Etc.? My experiences with small firms has been very negative and I don't believe in any of their promises anymore. From what I have seen, the words "professionalism" "team player" "experience" are merely ways of extracting more free labor out of trustful folks, until they wise up and go packing. These types of employers are counting on a steady stream of new talent who take them at their word and accept such poor treatment. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! Wow - looks like OT is a hot topic so I'll lend my two cents You state: "How outlandish would it be to try to negotiate 40 or maybe 45 hrs/wk as a condition of acceptance of an offer from a company that has mentioned that a typical workweek is 50+." My opinion is that it is certainly worth a try if you are set on only working 40 hours. Its always good to know up front what you are signing up for. And as some posters have already articulated it would be wise to ask what are the dynamics behind the 50 plus hours. Now some commentary: Understand that if you are even able to negotiate 40 hours a week at a place that expects 50 you are setting your self up from the get go not to get any advancement at that company. My guess is that the company just likes milking young guys for all they can get until they move on... that is very common. Best bet would be work there a year or two and move on. You may be unable to find a company in your specific area that is willing to give you exactly what you want so you may have to grin and bear it as you are young with little experience. Once you get a little experience you can be in the drivers seat. Contrary to some posters, I am not of the opinion that everyone has to consistently work lots of OT to be a "team player". There are many companies that pull that crap but there are also a few still left that are really good places to work. I left my last job because of too many hours. The poor guys there now are on 55 hours a week minimum with no paid OT. To me that was not acceptable. Good luck with your job hunt. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! Hello Warelephant, It is good to have goals in your career. Stick to them as best as you can. In the engineering fields, most engineers are paid salary, not hourly. So if you work 40 or 50 hours you still are paid the same. But the nature of the beast in many engineer fields 50 hours is standard. I myself I work 40 hours, unless there is a deadline to make. In the long run there are benefits to work overtime once in awhile. Possible bonus check, extra time off, the boss gives you praise and sees you are a worker that does the job right. When you move on to a new employer they will look at your experience and skills you have gained. Many engineers I have worked with do get the time off for special events in their personal life. One of the companies I worked for in Virginia Beach, most of the employees would get together for cookouts, play baseball and other activities after work. So there are ups and downs, but keep to your guns and don't back down on your morals and character. As you do a great job on a project - you will be rewarded even if it's 40 or 50 hours. Smitlor ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! 3 Hi warelephant, As a veteran hiring manager in an automotive (not civil) engineering environment, I tell every person I interview about the culture of my organization. At my previous employer, 45 hours was considered a normal work week. The expectation is that as a salaried engineer, you will work whatever it takes to get the job done. Some weeks, it may only require 40 hours, some weeks it may be 50-60 hours, due to extenuating circumstances (deadline, customer driven last minute changes, failed tests, etc . . ..) That being said, here is what you get in return: 1) Work on cutting edge automotive technology. 2) Opportunity to learn from multiple engineers with 20-25+ years expeience. 3) Flexibility in case of family/medical/other issues. 4) Pay that was 10-15% higher than average for equivalent experience. You have to make sure that the tradeoff is fair. I think it is unfair for an employer to just state that 50 hours per week is expected, without also balancing the dialog with the benefits that counter the extra time. One other crucial point is that you, at 23 years old, and presumably fresh out of school, are an unknown commodity to a hiring manager. You have to go out and prove that you are capable of getting the job done. It is a very competitive work landscape you are operating in, and it is unlikely that you will excel, and prove to be invaluable, while only working 40 hours per week. -Tony Staples www.tscombustion.com ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! tstaples seems to have hit the nail on the head. To re-iterate or expand on the point. Most all engineering managers will expect you to work overtime if its required for a particular job or project. If the norm is 50 hours then expect to work 60 or more just to get ahead at the organization. If the hiring manager isn't willing to discuss hours expectations openly and honestly then look out for a rat. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! As a salaried engineer, if you can get your job done under 40 hours, can you go home early? Seriously, if a business is managed properly, 40 hours/week from each employee (which include the typical waste from inefficiencies) should be adequate to handle the work load. Good managers know in advance which months in the near future they anticipate heavier-than-normal work load and prepare in advance by increasing the efficiency level, hire additional staff, or forewarn the existing staff and recruit volunteers for overtime work. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! Whyun, That is usually spelled out in the contract. Ususally your contract specifies what the required work hours are. Whether overtime is mandatory or not is also most often in the contract. David ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! Tony is right about the importance of the culture of the firm. An employer that mentions 50 hour weeks is giving you a glimpse of that culture, but certainly not the whole picture. Realize that in smaller firms, the culture is more likely to reflect the values of the person at the top. As firms get bigger, the culture becomes a little more based on the values of the employees. So when you interview with the person at the top in smaller firms, you have a good opportunity to hear his/her take on the culture. Just realize that you are getting his view from the top. A quick sidebar on small firm culture. I made the following same mistake twice shortly after starting out 30 years ago. I joined two different firms that only promoted engineers that had graduated from the same college as the principals. You can bet that they didn’t tell me that during the interviews. So how do you get a look at the culture from where you will be sitting? I don’t really have good answers, but my best suggestion would be to try to set up a lunch meeting with an employee or two of the firms you are considering. I would just come right out to the boss and say you want the perspective of your peers on the firm culture. Ideally, someone who is about three to five years into his career with the firm. I think that a lunch meeting away from the office is likely to be more revealing than meeting in the company conference room. Ask pointed questions: What are your responsibilities now? How satisfied are you with your growth here? How well are projects managed? Is communication satisfactory? Bonuses, raises, etc? Who has the ear of the boss (Lots of times, the real power in the smaller firms is in the hands of a bookkeeper / office manager type who has been with the firm since the beginning; and participates in decisions about bonuses, raises, etc). How varied has your experience been here? Have you asked for experience with buildings, yet they keep giving you bridges to work on? Small firms that are growing almost always have issues of ownership for the up-and-comer engineers. Is there an ownership transition plan in place? Has one been promised for years, but not occurred? Is there an ESOP? From this and my previous post, you might realize that I have some passion about this. My son is just a couple of months away from graduating with his B.S. in Engineering, and he’s started looking at jobs. So, I’ve been spending some time thinking about and talking about these issues with him. Looking back over my career, it clear that the first couple of years of experience are very important. I wish you luck, and keep us updated. Jim Emanuel, S.E. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! The OP has stated they are getting paid for the overtime, so being taken advantage of is not the issue. If warelephent can be selective in what opportunities of employment he will accept as a first job, then he is in a better position than most that I know. It would be nice to see some feedback. "Art without engineering is dreaming; Engineering without art is calculating." Have you read FAQ731-376 to make the best use of Eng-Tips Forums? ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! Jim, Where were you when I was starting my career? I had my Dad, grizzled old english millwright, who said, "Damn it boy just get your nose through the door, keep you head down and to the grindstone and you'll be set for life." As wise as the man was, job hunting was not his strong point. It took me getting burned by opportunistic managers a few times to start to come around to your thinking. For my next job I am definitely taking out a colleague to get the real skinny, thats good for any point in a career........thank-you. Frank "Grimey" Grimes You can only trust statistics 90% of the time. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! I never work overtime and will move mountains to avoid it. In the beginning, some 30 years ago, I was required to work some but I can honestly say that I never worked a single hour of overtime that was necessary, productive, or worth it. In my opinion, only disorganised time wasters need to work long hours (not counting the people who are forced to by the boss). I'm talking about unpaid overtime which is what it is in most cases. I did work at a place where a certain group screwed off all week then discovered a Friday afternoon crisis, and had to work 12 hour days over the weekend. I believe they had made a special deal where they were getting paid for it. I admit to being a clock watcher. If I didn't, I would end up cheating my employer out of several hours a week. Life is short. Try to enjoy it. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! I'm with you warelephant. Life is too short. You might want to see if there are openings in any government agencies. I work for one and rarely work overtime. The exception is during construction. If work can't progress until I provide a drawing, RFI answer or stamped shop drawing, etc. I work as long as necessary. Once I even had to ride a subway at 9:00 pm to get a giant set of prints from a copy center to a fedex office. But even when I worked for a private structural engineering company, I did not work much overtime. It was not an option because I had small babies. It probably looked bad to my employer at first, but I learned to get the job done in 40 hours. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! Structural? If you don't mind bridges rather than buildings, you can work for the state DOT and won't have to do much overtime. Hg Eng-Tips policies: FAQ731-376 ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! "Remember, the boss has paved the road only to his driveway" From Bill Cosby at a graduation ceremony. Start paving the road to your own driveway. ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! I think that warelephent was killed in the "OT war"... We never heard from him again... ### RE: I don't want to work overtime! @ENGJW "only disorganised time wasters need to work long hours" Well that statement is valid only in an ideal world. It would be the same as saying that only disorganised time wasters are in a hurry because organised people have organised things perfectly so never need to hurry. That is just not true. If I think back to the time when I was a process engineer in a chem plant responsible for the well-being of several process units, there were times when the operation was completely messed up by whatever phenomenon (the first thing to do was usually to find out by what) and every MINUTE the operational problem lasted literally cost thousands of dollars. If this happens on 5 to 5 Friday afternoon, you can't just let everything drop out of your hands, step out of the office and come back 3 days later. You are expected to solve it, it is your job to solve it and if you have the slightest honour as a process engineer you will (@#$% add any expression) solve it even if it takes several hours.

It's all about having a sense of responsibility. It's somewhere between being a civil servant and running your own businss.

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Exactly epoisses,

That should be rewritten,
"only disorganized time wasters and those that work for or under disorganized time wasters or those who's job involves repairing unforseen problems need to work long hours"

David

### RE: I don't want to work overtime!

Perhaps the company is assuming that you would like the option of overtime w/ pay.  They may be using this as a way to attract you!

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There are other reasons that overtime is required of engineers. There is a famous quote a manager made in Tracy Kidder's book (1981 nonfiction) about a group of engineers tasked with designing a new minicomputer "The Soul of a New Machine. The project was being compromized by lack of equipment and resources but management still wouldn't provide what was needed.

### RE: I don't want to work overtime!

WJSD, been there done that!  Extra effort wasn't my cup of tea either!!!

I have a government job now, it is the second public job of my career.  I usually end up with 45-50 hours per week.  I'm salaried, so I don't get paid for them.  Many of the people who I know who work for government do work more than 40.
I get to interview occasionally and I'll admit, I'd be hesitant to hire someone who wanted to negotiate the number of hours that they work.  That would make me worry about their dedication to the job.  I don't have time to deal with someone who isn't willing to pull their weight.  Now, if the job can be done in 40 - great!  But it isn't fair that someone else has to work 60 hours so someone else can put in 40 when a deadline is approaching.

Good luck with the job hunt!

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